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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,232 posts)
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 03:24 PM Oct 2014

Atheists win fight over high school football team’s religious monument

Source: Washington Times

By Jessica Chasmar - The Washington Times - Thursday, October 16, 2014

A controversial monument at the entrance of a Georgia high school football stadium will be altered to remove its biblical scripture after atheists complained it was offensive.

The Madison County school board voted unanimously Tuesday night to have the monument altered, following a nearly two-hour closed session to discuss the issue, Madison Journal Review reported.

The monument gained national attention when it was erected in August. Two different groups sent letters to the school system arguing that it violates the separation of church and state and demanding it be removed.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/16/atheists-win-fight-over-high-school-football-teams/



The original article in the Georgia paper ran yesterday, and the meeting was on Tuesday night.

Updated: Biblical scriptures will be removed or covered on monument

Posted by Margie Richards
Wednesday, October 15. 2014
Updated: 3 hours ago

The controversial monument bearing Biblical scripture in front of the high school football field house will be modified to comply with state and federal laws, which means the Biblical scriptures will be removed or covered.

That was the unanimous decision of the Madison County school board Tuesday night, following a nearly two-hour closed session to discuss the issue.

The closed session followed public comments from three citizens who had signed up to speak on the issue. All three speakers, Anna Martin, Jess Martin and Theresa Gordon, spoke in favor of leaving the monument just as it is. Loud applause followed each speaker’s comments.
....

Gordon spoke on behalf of the monument first, saying she believed it was her duty as a Christian to speak up for the monument. ... “We are not here as haters, we are here to love all,” she said. “It seems as if these (atheist) groups are here as haters, willing to spend millions to remove God from (our society), which means they are antichrists by definition – they must have hatred in their hearts to fight so hard to remove Him from this small object that was placed for others to enjoy.”

Apparently, the words from the Bible were not part of the original design. From the article:

The monument has gained state and national attention since its unveiling in August.
....

Meanwhile, the identity of who decided to place the scripture on the monument remains a secret. The monument was donated by North Georgia Monuments and All Sports Consulting and Construction. Tim Huguley of North Georgia Monuments said recently that the plans for scripture on the monument were made by someone from All Sports. He said he thought the first name of the person was “Clint,” but he didn’t know the last name.

There is a large sign for All Sports at the high school football field, but it includes no phone number. The Madison County Journal filed an open records request last week with the county school system seeking any documents related to All Sports. {Superintendent Allen McCannon} said there are no such papers to turn over.

“There are no documents with All Sports,” he said, adding that the only record of All Sports being involved with the monument is the inscription on the actual monument.
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Atheists win fight over high school football team’s religious monument (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2014 OP
Good. Next step.. tax the churches. TerrapinFlyer Oct 2014 #1
Fuck that. God needs all the money he can get. Hoppy Oct 2014 #10
He needs a new state-of-the-art sound system for His house! NT Adrahil Oct 2014 #17
I dont have a problem with not taxing the CHURCH, 7962 Oct 2014 #25
Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #27
Would that include the buildings ChazII Oct 2014 #36
Condescending, narcissistic, mumbo-jumbo insults people. immoderate Oct 2014 #2
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #3
Who let this dumb-ass in the door? notrightatall Oct 2014 #4
"Marshall" Law arcane1 Oct 2014 #6
Whoa. That poster had survived 11 years here. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #29
Good. SoapBox Oct 2014 #5
Too bad the ignorance goes so far as to fail to comprehend elleng Oct 2014 #7
You can put religious monuments on your front lawn. SamKnause Oct 2014 #8
then how can you be against strawberries Oct 2014 #33
not your respondent, but you mistake the normal reason whatthehey Oct 2014 #34
point well taken strawberries Oct 2014 #35
There's a lot to be said about this. vlyons Oct 2014 #9
The irony Feral Child Oct 2014 #15
most of "Christian" thought IS Pagan vlyons Oct 2014 #19
Make it stop! procon Oct 2014 #11
Thank god, lol TxDemChem Oct 2014 #12
They are sad, terrified, childish people. They have fallen into idolatry. Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #13
looks like Excalibur waiting to be pulled from the stone to me BobbyBoring Oct 2014 #16
Yup, mythological thinking in action Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #18
so if you pull out Excalibur vlyons Oct 2014 #20
So, I guess they believe in wizards then daleo Oct 2014 #24
K&R n/t Feral Child Oct 2014 #14
Looks like the Romans lost big time. Only put up 8 points to someone's 31. Thor_MN Oct 2014 #21
Gawd doesn't give a damn about humanity in general. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #31
This horrendous statue has made talking to people here almost impossible Budgies Revenge Oct 2014 #22
Yep, they are sooo loving ... so often religion is so filled with violence and hatred, persecution RKP5637 Oct 2014 #30
Not a hater, for sure daleo Oct 2014 #23
... merrily Oct 2014 #26
Very few students were in attendance.... Kalidurga Oct 2014 #28
Maybe they should have kept that rock but rurallib Oct 2014 #32
Prayer should be in school. Here it is: lindysalsagal Oct 2014 #37
 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
10. Fuck that. God needs all the money he can get.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:30 PM
Oct 2014

Why, suppose he wants him a Slurpy. Given his size, it would have to be a big Slurpy and where else is he gonna get the money to pay for it except from tax free donations.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
25. I dont have a problem with not taxing the CHURCH,
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:36 PM
Oct 2014

but church owned property is another story. If a church owns other property, its also tax free. That shouldnt be allowed.

ChazII

(6,199 posts)
36. Would that include the buildings
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 07:28 PM
Oct 2014

on church property that house the food and clothing banks? Many churches have these banks that provide food and clothing at no charge.

http://www.ststephens.org/outreach-ministries.html

http://www.fbcscottsdale.org/chaneni-house/

These are the two in which I volunteer.

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

elleng

(130,641 posts)
7. Too bad the ignorance goes so far as to fail to comprehend
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 03:43 PM
Oct 2014

state and federal laws, and refers to those seeking compliance 'haters.'

I have little hope for us all.

SamKnause

(13,082 posts)
8. You can put religious monuments on your front lawn.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:22 PM
Oct 2014

Your religious friends can put religious monuments on their front lawns.

Your religious family members can put religious monuments on their front lawns.

Your places of worship can put religious monuments on their front lawns.

Your religious schools can put religious monuments on their front lawns.

The United States of America was never meant to be a Theocracy.

I really do not understand what they are complaining about.

They can pray 24/7 in multiple locations.

They can worship 24/7 in multiple locations.

Why must they always involve public spaces and public venues ?????

I am an Atheist.

I am not a hater.

I am not an antichrist. I don't believe in gods or devils.

I am not a threat to anyone's religion.

 

strawberries

(498 posts)
33. then how can you be against
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:43 AM
Oct 2014

something you don't believe exist? How can you be insulted because it has no meaning to you. just asking

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
34. not your respondent, but you mistake the normal reason
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 01:44 PM
Oct 2014

It's not anger at what doesn't exist.

The assumption that we're all Christians definitely exists
The enforced prayer and deference to religious opinion definitely exists
The conflation of "Christian" with "good person" definitely exists
The embodiment of religious dogma in laws such as Sunday restrictions, blue laws, and the like definitely exists
The use of public spaces taxes and amenities for religious proselytizing definitely exists.

If you're really "just asking" that should be a good enough answer. We're really not "angry at God" like the brain-dead polyester clad pulpit puppies pretend. Any more than you're angry at Zeus for not believing in him. But think for a moment. Replace EVERY instance of Christian representation in the US with the same for Zeus. and pretend you are surrounded 24/7 by people who not only take Zeus seriously, but insist non-stop that you must too, in civil intercourse and in law that binds Zeus believer and nonbeliever alike.

Would you object? Just asking.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
9. There's a lot to be said about this.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:30 PM
Oct 2014

I was deeply moved by the reported comments of Theresa Gordon:

We are not here as haters, we are here to love all,” she said. “It seems as if these (atheist) groups are here as haters, willing to spend millions to remove God from (our society), which means they are antichrists by definition – they must have hatred in their hearts to fight so hard to remove Him from this small object that was placed for others to enjoy.


They (Fundie Christians) really don't get us. They think we are haters. And truth to tell, there are a lot of non-Christians, who do hate them. That's why I keep telling DU and KOS folks not to hate them, even tho' they are bigoted and ignorant. This woman is so encased in her Christian belief system, that her sense of self is totally identified, attached, solidified with everything Jesus. She's like a fish in water that doesn't know what water is until it's hauled into the boat. Anything that challenges her religion being everywhere, including over my personal boundaries, is a threat not to her religion, but to her sense of self. BTW: I'm a Buddhist.

The supposed citations on the monument are really quite offensive.
If God be for us, who can be against us?” from Romans 8:31, and, “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me,” from Philippians 4:13.


Of all the Bible quotes to be had, wouldn't you know it would be their rather supremacist sounding ones. Well for starters, the people, who are offended by having somebody else's religion shoved in their face everyday are agin ya. And no, Jesus isn't even going to overcome the County School Board to keep the plaque up. It just seems to me that if the purpose of the monument was to inspire students to measure up to challenges and achieve goals, which is what those scriptures are supposed to mean, there are a hell of a lot of other quotes that would not offend people. But not offending non-Christians never occurs to them because our religions/non-religions are simply not valid in their world view. We don't count, except for bragging rights if they bring somebody to Jesus.

Religious art does not belong in public schools. But ... if I had to choose one religious thingy to put up in a public school, it would definitely be Mark Twain's The War Prayer.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
15. The irony
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 05:15 PM
Oct 2014

of posting Christian quotations on a monument portraying a powerful Pagan image is totally lost on Gordan.

The tactic of trying to drown out Pagan thought with Christian hypocrisy is self-evident, though.

procon

(15,805 posts)
11. Make it stop!
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:31 PM
Oct 2014

It looks like the only reason they agreed to stop was the threat of an expensive lawsuit that would have named the individuals responsible for this decision. How many times do the courts have to step in and uphold the Constitution after these bible belt school boards try to proselytize their religion by setting up divisive icons on public school grounds?

This issue is never about religious freedom because if any other religion -- that's say Muslim -- rolled out something similar and had it plunked down at the entrance to the school, heads would explode all over the South. It only comes from certain Christian followers who believe in a fictional alternate history that favors their religious views over everyone else.


TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
12. Thank god, lol
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:48 PM
Oct 2014

Too bad these religious nuts don't understand how separation of church and state also protects them.

Judi Lynn

(160,408 posts)
13. They are sad, terrified, childish people. They have fallen into idolatry.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 05:08 PM
Oct 2014

Found a photo of the "monument" and the school's football team, filing out of what looks like an aluminum shed.

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Georgia high school’s statue ignites ire of atheist groups
Published September 28, 2014

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/28/georgia-high-schools-statue-ignites-ire-atheist-groups/

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
21. Looks like the Romans lost big time. Only put up 8 points to someone's 31.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 07:22 PM
Oct 2014

Seriously, gawd doesn't give a damn about high school football.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
31. Gawd doesn't give a damn about humanity in general.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:48 PM
Oct 2014

Most likely 'cuz it's a figment of human imagination.

Budgies Revenge

(216 posts)
22. This horrendous statue has made talking to people here almost impossible
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:07 PM
Oct 2014

I went to this particular high school, and still live in the county--so my facebook feed has been one long screed of former classmates, people I know in the community, etc talking about how they love Jesus so much, they will punch you in the head, urinate on you, throw you out of the county-state-country(take your choice), and/or possibly shoot you if you so much as imply that you might be against that ugly damn chunk of concrete and quarry rejects.

RKP5637

(67,078 posts)
30. Yep, they are sooo loving ... so often religion is so filled with violence and hatred, persecution
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:47 PM
Oct 2014

and deaths.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
23. Not a hater, for sure
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:49 PM
Oct 2014

"she believed it was her duty as a Christian to speak up for the monument. ... “We are not here as haters, we are here to love all,” she said. “It seems as if these (atheist) groups are here as haters, willing to spend millions to remove God from (our society), which means they are antichrists by definition – they must have hatred in their hearts to fight so hard to remove Him from this small object that was placed for others to enjoy.”"

She is not a hater - she just calls people who don't agree with her evil demons.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
28. Very few students were in attendance....
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:45 PM
Oct 2014

They were busy at home making "I am with stupid T-shirts" for Sunday service.

rurallib

(62,371 posts)
32. Maybe they should have kept that rock but
Fri Oct 17, 2014, 09:26 AM
Oct 2014

also put up a Muslim rock and a Hindu rock and a Buddhist rock and a Druid rock and a Taoist rock and a Sikh rock and a humanist rock and a ........
well I think you get my drift.
And every member of the football team and every member of the coaching staff would have to touch each rock before getting to the football field.

Touching would commence 2 hours before game time. Sadly the team may be too tired to play after all that touching.

lindysalsagal

(20,547 posts)
37. Prayer should be in school. Here it is:
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 05:56 PM
Oct 2014

May the children of the world grow constantly in spiritual awareness and peace consciousness. May more and more young people each day find the wisdom of simply being and awakening. May we all find the alert stillness of our Buddha natures.

- Beliefnet member Rachel_Zen1110

Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Buddhism/Buddhist-Prayers.aspx#hXCtgjj7kz1ZZpOI.99

The problem with religion in public-owned places, like schools, is that it will always make some children feel unwelcome or less deserving.

No child should experience that in their own school.

Religion should not be promoted by government entities, ever. But it should always be protected by the government, when expressed on private land.

It's so simple, and those who choose to push religion through public entities are fools, ignorants, and bigots.

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