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alp227

(32,016 posts)
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 02:12 PM Oct 2014

Probe: UNC academic fraud was 'shadow curriculum'

Last edited Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: AP

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — A scandal involving bogus classes and inflated grades at the University of North Carolina was bigger than previously reported, encompassing about 1,500 athletes who got easy A's and B's over a span of nearly two decades, according to an investigation released Wednesday.

At least nine university employees were fired or under disciplinary review, and the question now becomes what, if anything, the NCAA will do next. Penalties could range from fewer scholarships to vacated wins.

Most of the athletes were football players or members of the school's cherished basketball program, which won three of its five national titles during the scandal (1993, 2005, 2009).

Athletic director Bubba Cunningham wouldn't speculate on any possible sanctions.

Read more: http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/probe-reveals-scope-academic-fraud-unc

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Probe: UNC academic fraud was 'shadow curriculum' (Original Post) alp227 Oct 2014 OP
"Almost half of them athletes." malthaussen Oct 2014 #1
Sorority/fraternity members alp227 Oct 2014 #2
I did see that... malthaussen Oct 2014 #4
Shocking maindawg Oct 2014 #3
We know this happens. In many places. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #5
Let's deal with facts and evidence. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #7
Now let's see the NCAA President's punitive measures for this vaunted institution. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #6
Death penalty jmowreader Oct 2014 #8
Never going to happen Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #11
What pisses me off the most Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #9
It sounds like it was corrupt to the core... Oktober Oct 2014 #18
The same could be said about college athletics... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #21
It's time to separate sports from education yurbud Oct 2014 #10
Do you have any idea how much sports bring in Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #12
Little. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #13
Yes but Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #19
Most COST their schools money yurbud Oct 2014 #15
Some of the athletes need to file a lawsuit for not receiving an education... JCMach1 Oct 2014 #14
this cannot be tolerated or go unpunished RussBLib Oct 2014 #16
Easy to say "pay the players", harder to understand the consequences alp227 Oct 2014 #17
Tells you all you want to know about American culture marions ghost Oct 2014 #20

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
1. "Almost half of them athletes."
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 02:18 PM
Oct 2014

Which immediately raises the question of who the other, over half, were. But the article doesn't seem to be interested in that.

-- Mal

alp227

(32,016 posts)
2. Sorority/fraternity members
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 02:22 PM
Oct 2014
Crowder did help other students, particularly those in difficult situations such as assault victims and others fearful of being in classrooms. But word got out about the classes and eventually hundreds of fraternity members, and some sorority members, were lining up for them. Crowder was troubled to find the classes had made it into the “frat circuit,” she told two friends in the regular academic advising department.


From The Raleigh News & Observer article about the report

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
4. I did see that...
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 02:35 PM
Oct 2014

... it seems a rather amorphous group, and I wonder what the overlap is. Don't most athletes join fraternities?

It's interesting (and one might say damning) that Crowder was "troubled" to discover that non-athletes were benefitting from the free ride.

-- Mal

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
8. Death penalty
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:59 AM
Oct 2014

One year suspension from NCAA play in all men's marquee sports, or in both men's and women's marquee sports if both participated in this scheme, no vacated wins. I have this strange feeling the fencing team wasn't involved.

I figure they'll hang UNC out to dry then claim that "fixed" the same problem at the other 349 D-1 schools. The beauty of using UNC as their example, is UNC has a massive athletics endowment and high sales of branded merchandise. They can go a year without a sports season and not get hurt...something a school like Coastal Carolina or Mercer can't do.

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
11. Never going to happen
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 08:44 AM
Oct 2014

UNC is a blue blood university and part of the power 5 conference, if anything they punish east Carolina for this.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
9. What pisses me off the most
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:17 PM
Oct 2014

is there are some rumblings at other universities trying to exploit this scandal to ditch their own Afro-American Studies programs

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
18. It sounds like it was corrupt to the core...
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 06:54 AM
Oct 2014

If it isn't dumped permanently then it needs to be flushed and restarted from scratch...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
21. The same could be said about college athletics...
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:06 AM
Oct 2014

Let's not forget the impetus that spawned this "easy A" program...

Iamthetruth

(487 posts)
19. Yes but
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 09:16 AM
Oct 2014

Case in point, a schools football team is success the admission request jump. When this happens the quality of the students increase which brings in more research dollars. Also, at UF the athletic department paid for the renovation of the Library, at UCF, the athletic department paid for all the new dorms, at FAU the athletic department paid for the new dorms. You can find examples of this at many schools.

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
14. Some of the athletes need to file a lawsuit for not receiving an education...
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 09:55 AM
Oct 2014

Oh, and the NCAA death penalty for any of the programs that participated...

RussBLib

(9,006 posts)
16. this cannot be tolerated or go unpunished
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 09:35 PM
Oct 2014

...gee, I wonder why education seems to be suffering in this nation?

I don't watch any college sports and won't until they start paying the players.

alp227

(32,016 posts)
17. Easy to say "pay the players", harder to understand the consequences
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 10:42 PM
Oct 2014

like college sports becoming even more corrupt than it is now, with schools going after recruits like an ebay auction.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
20. Tells you all you want to know about American culture
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 06:43 PM
Oct 2014

where it's perfectly OK to cheat to win. I hope UNC gets big penalties. And other schools get investigated.

"The Cheating Culture" Why More Americans are Doing Wrong to Get Ahead"
by David Callahan

http://www.amazon.com/The-Cheating-Culture-Americans-Doing/dp/0156030055

"Cheating, argues author David Callahan, is no longer the exclusive purview of lowlife criminals, slick hucksters, and shady characters with ace cards shoved in secretive places. Now everyone's doing it and because everyone sees everyone else doing it, they keep on doing it. Callahan says the trouble begins in America's brutally competitive economic climate, which rewards results and looks the other way when it comes to the ethical and even criminal transgressions of those who come out on the winning end. Certainly there is no shortage of examples of cheating from the business community, and Callahan nimbly dissects the dishonest actions of the usual suspects (Enron, WorldCom, Global Crossing) to demonstrate how that same mentality extends out to our educational system, amateur and professional sports, the news media, and even the lives of common citizens who, while they would never think of themselves as being cheaters, are nevertheless inclined to commit the occasional act of beneficial fudging.

And while honesty is a nice ideal, Callahan says that cheaters cheat because, contrary to oft-repeated axioms, cheaters win: the chances of being caught are shrinking as are the punishments meted out should one be nabbed, and the benefits of a successful cheat far outstrip any potential threat. Further, Callahan posits that otherwise upright folks who would not cheat are drawn into the practice out of fear that they simply won't be able to make it in modern society otherwise."

This situation is taking a huge toll on this country.

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