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Judi Lynn

(160,415 posts)
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 04:47 AM Oct 2014

Family supper of deadly pufferfish leaves 11 paralysed and fighting for life

Source: Evening Standard

Family supper of deadly pufferfish leaves 11 paralysed and fighting for life
Published: 24 October 2014
Updated: 09:16, 24 October 2014

Eleven members of the same family were seriously ill today after unwittingly cooking up the world’s deadliest fish for their supper.

The Souza family from Rio de Janeiro in Brazil fried and served up a puffer fish they had been given by a friend who had returned from a day’s sea fishing.

The pufferfish contains a toxin 1,200 times more lethal than cyanide, a drop of which can kill within 24 hours.

Seconds after taking their first bite all began to vomit, before losing the feeling in their face, arms and legs.
Most of the victims - which include four children aged three to five - were totally paralysed before they could reach a car that would take them to hospital, according to reports.

Read more: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/family-supper-of-deadly-pufferfish-leaves-11-paralysed-and-fighting-for-life-9815293.html

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Family supper of deadly pufferfish leaves 11 paralysed and fighting for life (Original Post) Judi Lynn Oct 2014 OP
Holy moley, Mother of God ReRe Oct 2014 #1
Probably too late for a class... jtuck004 Oct 2014 #2
i will stick to mickey ds dembotoz Oct 2014 #4
Filet-o-fugu? NT Adrahil Oct 2014 #6
The chefs who prepare it in restaurants jen63 Oct 2014 #46
Tonight's salad is toadstools over deadly nightshade. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #3
I saw a documentary once where Homer Simpson almost died from it. Hoppy Oct 2014 #10
And for your main course: Chicken tartare with sun-dried mayonaise. Liberal Veteran Oct 2014 #35
D'oh! louis-t Oct 2014 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author rateyes Oct 2014 #5
Isnt the allure of this fish, deutsey Oct 2014 #7
You THINK? nt elias49 Oct 2014 #17
Yes, I do think deutsey Oct 2014 #19
I ate in in Japan, prepared by a master chef. MADem Oct 2014 #28
I've had it, too. Definitely was tingling, but.was assured that was msanthrope Oct 2014 #48
I had it when I stayed at a ryokan In Japan. Kablooie Oct 2014 #53
That is closer to my memory as well. nt MADem Oct 2014 #54
You are correct. 3catwoman3 Oct 2014 #52
Tragic Hulk Oct 2014 #8
Fugu chefs are specially trained and licensed in Japan. cosmicone Oct 2014 #9
Why do assassins still use cyanide?... Helen Borg Oct 2014 #11
My guess would be that they experimented by serving it to animals, drm604 Oct 2014 #12
They must really have liked the taste of it! Helen Borg Oct 2014 #13
Maybe there was a famine and they were desperate to find anything edible. drm604 Oct 2014 #14
Possible, if this fish is very common there. Helen Borg Oct 2014 #15
It is hard to understand how such a practice would start. drm604 Oct 2014 #16
It is very bland, actually. MADem Oct 2014 #29
I dare you to eat an Amanita phalloides! :) Helen Borg Oct 2014 #30
No thanks--I'll stick to portabellas! I'm a big chicken when it comes to scary foods... MADem Oct 2014 #32
Oh, come on, man up!! :) :) :) Helen Borg Oct 2014 #33
Bwak, bwak, bwak, bwak!!!!! MADem Oct 2014 #36
Just before laying an egg, huh? freshwest Oct 2014 #57
I don't see how anyone could unless they are very fresh PeoViejo Oct 2014 #49
Many years ago FlaGranny Oct 2014 #18
They're related, but not the same species. cab67 Oct 2014 #21
Blowfish are easy to catch on the east coast and so sweet. They truly are delicious. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #24
FDA says those are safe! MADem Oct 2014 #37
Thank you. FlaGranny Oct 2014 #56
When I was a kid maindawg Oct 2014 #20
Those aren't poisonous--they're on the FDA safe list. MADem Oct 2014 #31
too late for a food safety course? reddread Oct 2014 #22
One of the best movies ever. nt a la izquierda Oct 2014 #26
Oh wow. bigwillq Oct 2014 #23
This is horrible. cyberswede Oct 2014 #25
Totally off-topic.... MADem Oct 2014 #38
Thanks! But I only have a week left to use it. cyberswede Oct 2014 #40
Heh heh--I'll look forward to it!!!! nt MADem Oct 2014 #41
It reminds me of the sides of police cars in Salem :) Marrah_G Oct 2014 #44
It does!!!! nt MADem Oct 2014 #45
Eating Puffer Fish is like taking a vacation to North Korea. gordianot Oct 2014 #27
Did the friend know what kind of fish it was? Principled Peter Oct 2014 #34
Well, if you can read Portuguese..... WinkyDink Oct 2014 #55
Just curious, if it takes only seconds after the first bit to start vomiting, then did they all take hughee99 Oct 2014 #39
who would eat a pufferfish? They're completely adorable. Like Puppies! librechik Oct 2014 #42
oh my god............THAT is horrifying Marrah_G Oct 2014 #43
Awful! Aerows Oct 2014 #50
Sad blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #51

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
1. Holy moley, Mother of God
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 05:11 AM
Oct 2014


The moral of this story: either know thy fish or require the fish gifter to be thy food taster.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
2. Probably too late for a class...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 05:17 AM
Oct 2014
http://www.visit-jy.com/english/spot/detail.php?id=3

You have to take the organs that hold the neurotoxins out, and be sure they haven't punctured and spilled their contents. Kinda like finding wild mushrooms to eat or parachuting, you want to be really, really good at it the first time, and every time after that.




Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
7. Isnt the allure of this fish,
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:42 AM
Oct 2014

if prepared properly, the tingle the toxins give you when you eat it? Aside from the fish apparently tasting really good, I mean.

Regardless, I think I'd pass if I had a chance to eat some.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
19. Yes, I do think
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:21 AM
Oct 2014

and can still safely say "Therefore I am."

But, as so many Darwin Award winners and runner-ups attest, thinking is apparently no longer much in fashion anymore.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. I ate in in Japan, prepared by a master chef.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:17 AM
Oct 2014

It was on this enormous plate in the shape of a crane--a bunch of little slim-cut, almost translucent pieces of fugu that were arranged to look like feathers.

I don't remember any tingle, though. There was drinking involved.

I didn't realize what I was eating until well after the fact, too--I did get a rep as the bravest person at the table, though! I used that rep to good effect in future interactions, even though it was all bullshit!!

Kablooie

(18,603 posts)
53. I had it when I stayed at a ryokan In Japan.
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 11:24 AM
Oct 2014

The meal came with the room.
Thin translucent disks of sashimi arrayed in a pattern.
The taste was only in the sauce. The fish Itself had no taste and no tingle at all.

3catwoman3

(23,932 posts)
52. You are correct.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:36 PM
Oct 2014

I was stationed in Japan for 2 years, and chefs who are licened to prepare this let that be known by hangin a dried puffer fish above the sushi bar. There was a licensed chef in my favorite tiny sushi/tempura restaurant. I would never, never, EVER take a chance.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
9. Fugu chefs are specially trained and licensed in Japan.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:18 AM
Oct 2014

It is said that a fugu chef's code of honor is to commit harakiri if one of the patrons gets sick from the fugu. I like fugu but I will not eat it anywhere outside Japan.

The skin, eyes, testicles (or ovaries), liver, gall bladder and bile duct contain all the tetradotoxin. These organs have to be removed without puncturing or the toxin will contaminate the flesh.

The flesh can then be eaten safely.

Such a sad event -- I hope the family recovers completely.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
11. Why do assassins still use cyanide?...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:27 AM
Oct 2014

I can just imagine the trial and error process humanity went through to figure out what parts of the fish to eat!!! Not sure I get it, somebody ate the fish and died and then what? His son decided to give it another try, after removing the eyes? ... Why ?

drm604

(16,230 posts)
12. My guess would be that they experimented by serving it to animals,
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:32 AM
Oct 2014

or possibly (a horrifying possibility) slaves, criminals, or captured enemies.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
16. It is hard to understand how such a practice would start.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:57 AM
Oct 2014

I suggested famine, but that really doesn't seem likely does it? They're an island and they like fish, so they should always have been able to find food. I would think that a few incidents of death would have put them off eating this particular fish since so many others are available.

Asia was big on using plant and animal parts for medicine. Maybe they knew it was poisonous but thought that smaller doses might have medical uses and so experimented on animals or slaves in order to find which parts were the most and least poisonous. A primitive researcher might, for example, think that something that paralyzed limbs could, in smaller doses, prevent violent seizures in epileptics or help with movement disorders.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. It is very bland, actually.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:19 AM
Oct 2014

It's supposed to be an act of courage to eat it--you show how much guts, or whatever, you have.

It's like being a tough guy at the dinner table!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. No thanks--I'll stick to portabellas! I'm a big chicken when it comes to scary foods...
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:29 AM
Oct 2014

I ate that fugu UNKNOWINGLY....!!!

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
49. I don't see how anyone could unless they are very fresh
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:07 PM
Oct 2014

I found a patch of them in the woods. A few of them had started to go by and the smell was awful. They smelled like death.

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
18. Many years ago
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:17 AM
Oct 2014

we used to fish with friends and caught many "blowfish." They looked identical to the "Pufferfish" so I'm assuming they are the same or similar. I have no idea if the fish we caught were poisonous. A friend showed me how to prepare it - actually easier than most fish - and we ate many of them for many years. They are completely delicious - much better than chicken and the only fish my kids would ever eat. We caught them in the Great Bay in New Jersey. We were either very lucky or that species was not poisonous. Never once did we feel any tingling or numbness anywhere from them.

cab67

(2,990 posts)
21. They're related, but not the same species.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:28 AM
Oct 2014

The toxin is actually produced by symbiotic bacteria. Some salamanders have them as well. Most tetraodontiforms (pufferfish, blowfish, etc.) don't. Porcupine fish also look similar and are related, but more distantly.

(Correction - evidently, all tetraodontiforms have the toxin. It only reaches dangerous levels in some.)

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
56. Thank you.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:20 AM
Oct 2014

Used to love those puffers. They are a lot easier to prepare than other fish. A couple of cuts, peel off the skin and the gutless, boneless flesh of the fish just pops out, sweet, mild, delicious.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
20. When I was a kid
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:24 AM
Oct 2014

Growing up on Long Island, we used to catch puffer fish all the time. We called them blow fish. When you catch them they suck air blowing themselves up like a balloon. So you punture them with a knife and throw them in a bucket. Some people sat there all day and had a whole bucket full. We cleaned them and ate them all the time. We did not know they were poisonous. But we cooked them well usually frying them. They taste like chicken.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Those aren't poisonous--they're on the FDA safe list.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:26 AM
Oct 2014
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is advising consumers only to eat puffer fish (also known as fugu, bok, blowfish, globefish, swellfish, balloonfish, or sea squab) from two known safe sources. The safe sources are 1) imported puffer fish that have been processed and prepared by specially trained and certified fish cutters in the city of Shimonoseki, Japan, and 2) puffer fish caught in the mid-Atlantic coastal waters of the United States, typically between Virginia and New York. Puffer fish from all other sources potentially contain deadly toxins and therefore are not considered safe.


http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/ucm085529.htm

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
25. This is horrible.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:47 AM
Oct 2014

I wonder if the friend even knew what he caught?

I feel especially bad for the little kids.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
40. Thanks! But I only have a week left to use it.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 12:17 PM
Oct 2014

...gotta find a good turkey avatar for next month.

gordianot

(15,229 posts)
27. Eating Puffer Fish is like taking a vacation to North Korea.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 10:06 AM
Oct 2014

Another possible comparison:

Jay walking in Ferguson Missouri while being black.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
39. Just curious, if it takes only seconds after the first bit to start vomiting, then did they all take
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 12:14 PM
Oct 2014

a bite at exactly the same time? Personally, if someone else had bit into their dinner before me and immediately started vomiting, I think I wouldn't take a bite.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
50. Awful!
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 07:35 PM
Oct 2014

Tetrodotoxin poisoning isn't something I'd wish on anyone, let alone an innocent family of 11!

I hope they pull through.

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