Hundreds of Iraqi tribesmen opposed to Islamic State found in mass graves

[azurnoir]

Source: yahoo

The bodies of 150 members of an Iraqi Sunni tribe which fought Islamic State have been found in a mass grave, security officials said on Thursday.

Islamic State militants took the men from their villages to the city of Ramadi and killed them on Wednesday night and buried them, an official in a police operations center and another security official told Reuters.
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"Early this morning we found those corpses and we have been told by some Islamic State militants that 'those people are from Sahwa, who fought your brothers the Islamic State, and this is the punishment of anybody fighting Islamic State'," an eyewitness said.

Tribal sheikhs from Albu Nimr say both sets of victims were among more than 300 men aged between 18 and 55 who were seized by Islamic State this week.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/150-iraqi-tribesmen-opposed-islamic-state-found-mass-120349697.html

[HoosierCowboy]

1. Rule One of warfare

The guy that wins is the one that doesn't run out of ammunition.

[tabasco]

13. Never heard that at the Infantry School

I'm sure a cowboy knows much more about warfare.

[GGJohn]

17. Me neither.

I always thought it was the one who was left standing at the end of a firefight.

[GP6971]

26. Nor I at Armor School

[candelista]

35. Is that where they teach you not to p*** on your fingers?

[Oktober]

31. I always think of it in terms of the one who wants it the most...

A lesson we learned well in recent years...

[libodem]

2. Hope they personally thank Dubbya

It's his war. His personal vengeance for his Daddy. He broke it. He owns it. Every death is on his head. The gift that keeps on giving.


Maybe he'll paint a mass grave for the living room.

[countmyvote4real]

3. This ^

Well said.

[libodem]

4. You're welcome

[SpankMe]

5. But, I thought ISIS was good,...

...because they provided some public utilities, social services and even a consumer protection bureau?

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/the-isis-guide-to-building-an-islamic-state/372769/

These so-called "people" are violent monsters who need to be exterminated. Period.

There's a time for focusing on the fact that economic desperation, hopelessness, lack of opportunity and despotic government can lead to terrorism, and that terror groups who run a power plant and keep the lights on longer can gain some support of a local population by merely providing a few creature comforts.

And then there's times like this when a group is so violent, irrational, morally skewed and genocidal that killing them all is the only way to fix it. Not a very progressive perspective, I admit. But, these people really test and challenge my non-violent nature. I'm actually afraid of these animals.

[Bragi]

6. Did you actually read the article you linked to?

I trust your misrepresentation of the Salon article was not deliberate, but the article doesn't say in any way that ISIS is "good". Not in the slightest does it say that.

Instead, the whole point of the article is summed up at the end:

"While the governance and social services that ISIS provides shouldn’t overshadow the repression and deadly violence it carries out, they do illustrate that the group runs a sophisticated and well-organized operation."

- B

[LeftyMom]

14. I don't think you get to refer to anybody else as genocidal

after ranting about "so-called 'people'" who are "monsters who need to be exterminated. Period."

The internet is where self-awareness goes to die, but that's a bit fucking much, don't you think?

[candelista]

15. "Exterminated"?

People like you make me sick.

[Oktober]

32. What exactly do you advise?

or is it more of a "Not my circus, not my monkeys" kind of thing and they can kill each other all they like?

[candelista]

34. Why exactly do you want to know?

You wouldn't accept my advice, anyway. You just want to kill some people, right? Or rather, you just want your government to do it for you.

[Oktober]

36. If the answer to such extreme and personal violence is not death...

... then what do you do to stop it? ... or do you?

As for the why? No one likes the whiny person in the meeting who poo poos every idea but doesn't have anything to solve the problem.

Just trying to make you more likable...

[candelista]

37. You aren't worth a serious response.

[Oktober]

38. How convenient for you...

Lovely how things work out where you make non sensical statements and then anyone who inquires about them isn't deemed worthy of your lofty response...

[freshwest]

7. Some called the Iraqis cowards in error. The dead can't fight back.

Nor can their widows, families and orphaned kids do much either. Nothing good can come of all of this medieval behavior.

[Comrade Grumpy]

8. ISIS really seems to like to murder helpless people.

These guys are like the Mongol hordes or Tamerlane's army. Positively medieval.

[candelista]

16. Mostly they kill Iraqi soldiers and deserters.

The main reason probably is that they don't want to bother with prisoners, and they can't let them go to fight again. Video below, viewer discretion advised.

http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/terrorism/isis-massacres-shias-in-iraq/3709001666001/

[Comrade Grumpy]

18. Funny, I recall hearing about them killing entire towns full of Yazidi men.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28814633

And they just massacred every male over 15 of a Syrian tribe they could find:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/21/isis-massacred-every-man-and-boy-over-15-in-muslim-town/

And there's breaking news that they've massacred dozens of Sunni tribesmen in Iraq just now. Although these guys were fighters.

ISIS has by now executed thousands, perhaps more than 10,000 helpless people in the last few months. I mean people who had been captured or who had surrendered or who were just innocent civilians. That's war crime as policy. This is a psychotic, psychopathic organization. If it has any legitimate demands, they are being drowned in a sea of blood.

[candelista]

19. Why is that funny?

You have a bizarre sense of humor. Your Daily Caller quote will be universally disregarded on this site, and your quote from the Beeb says 80 men, not tens of thousands.

ISIS had killed 1700 Iraqi soldiers and deserters as of several months ago. It must be way more now. But these were combatants and ex combatants, not "helpless" civilians.

ISIS is a bunch of bad guys, but get your facts straight about why.

You have clearly drunk the Koolade. Just raring to kill somebody, huh? With your keyboard?

[GGJohn]

20. They have murdered men, women, children, alot of them being civilians,

they've also kidnapped and forced or sold into slavery, hundreds of girls and women.
Sounds like you're the one drinking the ISIS koolaid.
And btw, I'm not rarin to kill anyone, been there, done that, so I'm no keyboard kommando.

ISIS needs to be exterminated, but that's up to the countries of the ME with the help of western air power.

[Comrade Grumpy]

22. What's funny is the way you try to downplay ISIS atrocities.

You don't like the Daily Caller. Fair enough. It was a quick grab. But if you had bothered to even look at the first paragraph, you would see it was based on an extensive Washington Post report:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/syria-tribal-revolt-against-islamic-state-ignored-fueling-resentment/2014/10/20/25401beb-8de8-49f2-8e64-c1cfbee45232_story.html

The BBC story was about one Yazidi village, not the total death toll from ISIS's rampage through Iraq and Syria.

I don't know the exact number ISIS has murdered. Not killed in combat. Murdered. 1700 unarmed, captured Iraqi soldiers in their initial rampage into Mosul and beyond, 600 Shite prisoners in the Mosul prison, probably hundreds of Yazidis, hundreds of Kurds, and other groups subject to their genocidal impulses. Then there's the hundreds of Syrian tribesmen the Post mentions, the several hundred surrendered Syrian army soldiers they murdered at that air base near Raqqa, not to mention all the killings they do in Raqqa itself. And everywhere else they are. And that's just off the top of my head. Maybe they haven't murdered 10,000 people yet. Maybe it's only 7,000.

You really seem to think its okay to murder prisoners. That's what it is when you kill a helpless captive.

I don't drink Koolaid.

And when it comes to US policy options I don't see any good ones. But as much as I have consistently opposed the adventures of the US imperial war machine, I just can't manage to shed any tears for those ISIS guys on the receiving end of our expensive killing machines.

[GGJohn]

23. That's a lie,

they murder anyone who opposes them, that includes men, women, children.

[samsingh]

9. how can any thinking people still join this insane disgusting group?

[closeupready]

10. Well, explain how the KKK persists.

[samsingh]

11. the kkk appeals to racists. isis appeals to those wanting to go kill other people

[SkyDaddy7]

12. ISIS appeals to people's religious beliefs...

Let us not lie to ourselves.

[samsingh]

27. absolutely they do - and religious beliefs that encourage killing of other people

[SkyDaddy7]

29. Yes...

Once a human being decides they are killing with a deity's permission then even a "normal person" can be transformed...That is the scary part of religion. Especially one with "Jihad" so central to its core beliefs.

[cali]

30. and it appeals to young men (largely) who want to rape and murder under the guise of religion

[samsingh]

33. if budhists sent out a call for jihad

i don't think thousands would sign up.

many sign up to become suicide bombers because the religion promises them eternal life and access to virgins.

[quadrature]

21. the 2011 US effort to destabilize Syria ..

how is it going?

[candelista]

24. Destabilization is not the US purpose in Syria.

Destabilization is an unwanted byproduct of the effort to create a pro-US government in Syria, so that there can be a safe place for US business to invest. The US does not want destabilization. An unstable country is not a safe place to invest. The truth is that US has been making the same mistake over and over again, by thinking that it can impose a puppet government on people by force without long term resistance, guerrilla war, and chaos. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Libya are all examples of this.

[Comrade Grumpy]

25. The US has been trying to destabilize the Syrian government since 2011.

Destablilization of the Assad regime is not "an unwanted byproduct;" it is the interim goal of US policy. It is a cruel and cynical policy. We did it quietly with the CIA until a couple of months ago, when Obama pushed for the $500 million to arm and train the "good" Syrian rebels. What he thinks he will accomplish with that it beyond me.

Syria is where US policy in the region is the most incoherent. We want to overthrow Assad and we're now bombing his most effective foes, ISIS. We want to train 5,000 rebels and throw them into a civil war with 100,000 or so other rebel fighters, many of them Al Qaeda or ISIS or related jihadis. We want enough Syrians to die to force a settlement that doesn't include Assad, and we're willing to bleed that country until it happens. It's way fucked up.

[nilesobek]

28. ISIL

shot hundreds of helpless people in the video I watched. I still agree with PBOs approach but would like to see the aerial attacks increased. I've seen plenty of other videos of these guys driving around waving their weapons around.
If we increased the bombing it might change their Army and how it does business. Turn it back from a semi-major force into sneaky insurgency as the bombings take effect. Weaken their ability to travel on roads, confine their reach within the "Levant," and slowly close them out.