Protesters set fire to Mexican palace as anger over missing students grows

[n2doc]

Source: Guardian

A group of protesters set fire to the wooden door of Mexican president Enrique Pena Nieto’s ceremonial palace in Mexico City’s historic city centre late on Saturday, denouncing the apparent massacre of 43 trainee teachers.

The group, carrying torches, broke away from what had been a mostly peaceful protest demanding justice for the students, who were abducted six weeks ago and apparently murdered and incinerated by corrupt police in league with drug gang members.

Police put out the flames and enforced fencing designed to keep the protesters away from the National Palace, which was built for Hernan Cortes after the Spanish conquest and now houses Mexico’s finance ministry.

Pena Nieto lives in a presidential residence across town, and was not in the palace at the time.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/09/protesters-fire-mexican-palace-anger-missing-students-grows

[Guaguacoa]

2. How dare you belittle the deaths of these students and everything else going on here

by an idiotic comparison to anything that is going on in the us. A self serving use of their death's. There is no comparison to what is going on here and posting this drivel on this thread is beyond insensitive and even racist. Are there not enough threads to talk about this without having to use the death of " insignificant mexican's" to promote it? You are just as bad as they.

I posted on another thread of racists on the left as on the right there, people like you prove the point.

[laserhaas]

24. actions speak louder than words

Being in this realm, doesnt guarantee a person is a true liberal

[Guaguacoa]

25. I agree, my friend. I have seen many here

that are not liberals. I just figured times must be changing, I'm over 60 so I'm more old school.

[laserhaas]

28. Cool - Old School - absolutely!

I use the debol made them do it philosophy.

Demons don't waste time working against crooks who already steal.
(TP's get tired of TP'eeing to themselves rather quickly).

Their real joy comes from working their ebol to vex liberality.

That is why (except for making note to viewers who wish to remain silent; but want to know all sides)

-------- the solution to ignorance - is to ignore them.

They hate it when you don't feed their obfuscating, babbling, banter B.S.;
by arguing (with those hell bent to find fault with you) an argument you will Never win.

Or - as a brilliant counsel said to me;

------------------------------ bad faith parties can't win by proffering good faith discussions.

[Guaguacoa]

29. Sage advice, well said:"

"the solution to ignorance - is to ignore them"

"They hate it when you don't feed their obfuscating, babbling, banter B.S.;
by arguing (with those hell bent to find fault with you) an argument you will Never win."

"bad faith parties can't win by proffering good faith discussions."


All very well said. It's just frustrating when it seems you must argue the obvious with those (supposedly) on your side.

[a la izquierda]

3. I'm pleased at the coverage DUers are giving to this travesty, so thank you.

A couple of my friends and I- specialists in the region- have been puzzled over the lack of interest on this in the US media. We can't quite figure it out.

[n2doc]

4. I can. It can't be linked to Obama's policies

So it can't be used against him. Thus, the MSM can't be bothered to report it.

Maybe if a Khardashian were abducted people would pay attention

Frankly I am with you. The war going on in Mexico should be a far bigger story than the ones going on in the middle east.

[a la izquierda]

5. You're more cynical than we are.

We figured the Mexican goverment asked our government to shut the media down on this so as not to impact tourism. But you could be right.

I tell my Latin America students constantly: Ebola and Isil are not grave concerns for us. Climate change, on the other hand...or a rapidly collapsing Mexican state? Much bigger worries!

[Guaguacoa]

26. I have no doubt of this, the mexican government asking the us government.

It was even announced here that pri was blocking "narco" actions in the news and everything here is labeled "narco" actions. The tourist areas and foreign communities like chapala are patrolled while other areas are getting worse all the time.

It's ALL about the tourism and money.

[valerief]

6. The U.S. Billionaire media don't want to give the U.S. 99% any ideas. nt

[ballyhoo]

10. I think you've got it--

[hatrack]

7. Sounds like people finally had about enough of this shit

I'm trying to imagine the kind of arrogance and brutality and pervasive criminality that would make something like this massacre possible - a casual tossed-off command by a mayor's wife - and it's beyond my powers.

[drm604]

8. When things are so bad that people have nothing left to lose, then they take to the streets.

What do you do when your leadership and your police are in league with the criminals?

[ballyhoo]

11. That's where we are now and your question is of

paramount importance. Unfortunately, the question cannot be addressed here without stepping on some toes. I'll not be the one to dip my toe in the water. Anyway, the answer is still revolt, which I believe will happen next year when the Republicans cut entitlements in some way. But those engaging in the substantive revolt will not be doing so with garish signs and emails to vapid politicos. No, it will be a real revolt by those most Democrats despise with rakes, shovels and all kinds of implements of destruction. Many will die. The US will grind to a halt, unlike 2007-2009; rather more like a mixture of 1929 and a 1950's Teamster confrontation. It will go on for a while. Finally, you will see a capitulation by the one-per-centers themselves: the very people who caused the problem in the first place. Those aiding abetting them will be literally thrown into the street during the process. The monster police will come to the aid of government and kill as many of the rioters as possible. Then the military will come in aiding the people not going to stand idly by and let grandma get killed by some megalomaniac cop. After all this a baseline will form again and the process will start all over.

Now one might say, no this won't happen. We will settle all our problems through government, making new laws and stuff, due process, ad nauseum... No, that won't happen, for the same reason you allude to in your post. There are not enough honest reputable people in government to cause a change AND there is not enough interest or freedom from weariness by the citizenry to find and elect good people to begin change. Too late for that.

Sorry for the long post. This is roughly what I think will happen.

[cbayer]

9. I am very glad to see this event and the protests getting coverage outside of mexico.

People are pissed and have every right to be. Killing students who are on their way to peacefully protest is very un-Mexican and the people will not stand for it.

[KingCharlemagne]

12. It's very sad and reminds me of Oct 2, 1968 and the massacre of as many

as 300 students by Mexican police and soliders in Mexico City in the Tlatelolco massacre:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_massacre

[cbayer]

13. Thanks for that link.

I have only the very vaguest recollection of that. I have been living here for about a year and want to learn more about both the history and the current state of things.

Hopefully the outrage over this incident will lead to an intolerance of anything further.

Again, I am very glad that it is getting press and I hope we keep it kicked.

[KingCharlemagne]

14. I'm a former teacher so anytime students or prospective students anywhere get hurt, I

tend to take it a bit personally. If the pigs kill an old fart like me, it won't matter too much now in the cosmic scheme of things. But students??? That is an offense to the decent opinion of (hu)mankind.

[cbayer]

15. That is what has people here most upset.

They were on their way to take a peaceful stand. No one believes this was a narco related crime.

[ReRe]

16. K&R for EXPOSURE!

I've been trying to keep up with this every day. Thanks, n2doc. I think it was on Amy this week, a father was still clinging to the hope that his son was still alive. That was before they found them. Now they are waiting for the DNA tests to come back from, was it Austria? That's pretty bad when you have to send specimens around the world to get it tested.

[laserhaas]

17. Quicker & better changes will come;

when we all realize that (now) -

-------------------------------------We Are the Main Stream Media Outlets!

Stuff like this - of might makes right tyrannically over average persons plight; darkens my heart.

Glad The Guardian is telling the tale.....

[cbayer]

18. This is a really good point.

People here were frustrated that the news wasn't getting out.

It is sites like DU that spreads the word and keeps it focused.

It's much harder to hide when the light is on.

[laserhaas]

19. Truth sells easily: Whereas B.S. needs to be repetitively reinforced arshly.

We can defeat Citizens United easily;
---------because bad faith people can't win on equal footing with the truth.

DK, DU, Liberals United, PoliticusUSA only exist; because we grant them permission to.
(via our attention to their modules).

[br][hr][br]

On a daily basis - we were all hit with tons of begs for money. If we find the proper way to stay away from the bought and paid for propaganda mediums;

then we won't need 1/100th of the money (because attendance pays for the forums existence)

and it won't matter how much Koch's ilk spends on speaking to themselves.

It's only a matter of time!

[roamer65]

20. Good luck on getting a PRI lackey like Pena Nieto to act. N/t

That party is the embodiment of corruption. Mexico has suffered greatly under its rule.

Good to see the news get out of the dissent.

[Guaguacoa]

27. Good to know at least some there see the narco gobierno as it is.nt

[Jesus Malverde]

21. Another story thats a must read...

These massacres are being carried out with impunity. People don't even report their missing family members for fear of the police.

https://news.vice.com/article/how-a-mexican-cartel-demolished-a-town-incinerated-hundreds-of-victims-and-got-away-with-it

[candelista]

22. It's great to see the Mexican people standing up against this evil.

But burning the palace doors was not too cool. The usual suspects: crazies or agents provacateurs.

[elehhhhna]

23. huge update in GD

On kindle and can't cut n paste link