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Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:53 PM Nov 2014

Howard Dean Rips Democrats: ‘You Cannot Win if You Are Afraid’

Source: Mediaite

Former DNC chair Howard Dean criticized the Democrats (including but not limited to the DNC) on Meet the Press Sunday morning for not staying on message, or even crafting a message, in the run-up to last week’s severe midterm loss.

“The biggest problem was message,” Dean said. “Sure it was an off-year and we can make all these excuses. But even through the days of the fifty-state strategy and taking over the House, the Senate, and the White House in four years, I could never get the Washington Democrats to stay on message.”

“The Republican message was ‘We’re not Obama,’ no substance whatsoever,” he continued. “What was the Democrats’ message? ‘Oh, we’re not either.’ You cannot win if you are afraid! Where was the Democratic party? You gotta stand for something if you’re gonna win!”

Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/howard-dean-rips-democrats-you-cannot-win-if-you-are-afraid/



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Howard Dean Rips Democrats: ‘You Cannot Win if You Are Afraid’ (Original Post) Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2014 OP
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything, and the Tea Party will kick your ass derby378 Nov 2014 #1
Didn't Bill Clinton that voters went for "Strong and Wrong rather than Weak and Right"? SharonAnn Nov 2014 #79
Dr. Dean... SoapBox Nov 2014 #2
Thank you Dr. Dean davidpdx Nov 2014 #3
This man had a winning long-term strategy which produced short-term results. That is, silvershadow Nov 2014 #4
What a great combination it would be for Howard Dean to return as INdemo Nov 2014 #13
Amen!!! Can I help with that? calimary Nov 2014 #27
The 2010 elections were under the last redistricting. former9thward Nov 2014 #32
Yep, my point exactly. Any governor who got elected in the KEY years - the "zero years," will be calimary Nov 2014 #36
There was a short thread yesterday which unfortunately didn't get much traction LeftInTX Nov 2014 #54
Thanks! Gonna get started. She needs to GO!!!!! calimary Nov 2014 #64
When Chuck Todd asked him... ReRe Nov 2014 #30
If we had Dr. Dean at the DNC pscot Nov 2014 #37
they would have to start by inviting the DLC to form their own party yurbud Nov 2014 #66
Dean is a Progressive, the Blue Dogs third way BS took over and it all went to hell. harun Nov 2014 #45
He was the star Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #58
You certainly can win if you play to fear!! busterbrown Nov 2014 #5
they should fear the economy noiretextatique Nov 2014 #63
Oh, for God sakes... busterbrown Nov 2014 #70
thanks...my bad noiretextatique Nov 2014 #71
Bring Dr. Dean back! UCmeNdc Nov 2014 #6
+100. n/t whathehell Nov 2014 #16
He is right absolutely- KrazyinKS Nov 2014 #7
Amen shopgirl Nov 2014 #38
You're not wrong Ineeda Nov 2014 #43
We need Dr Dean. We need Elizabeth Warren. Maineman Nov 2014 #8
Dean is supporting hillary gwheezie Nov 2014 #10
So? AngryDem001 Nov 2014 #12
He is entitled to change his mind Aerows Nov 2014 #15
Howard Dean should take a look at the voters that would support her or not INdemo Nov 2014 #33
She lost once Aerows Nov 2014 #35
+1000 - and everyone who touches her ... ALSO loses. closeupready Nov 2014 #50
And Im thinking if Howard Dean ran for President in 2016 I INdemo Nov 2014 #68
I'd be curious exactly what he said. At this point if you ask most Democratic politicians, rhett o rick Nov 2014 #61
He said it in the same interview gwheezie Nov 2014 #67
Amen! Chasstev365 Nov 2014 #9
And died again with Wellstone. n/t Ineeda Nov 2014 #44
We need more than grand strategy or we will end up back at square one - Progressive VALUES newthinking Nov 2014 #11
good we have one heaven05 Nov 2014 #14
K&R. Well said. Overseas Nov 2014 #17
We need Howard Dean MissDeeds Nov 2014 #18
DLC'ers hate him because he isn't bought yurbud Nov 2014 #19
I agree on all counts MissDeeds Nov 2014 #21
All Too True cantbeserious Nov 2014 #20
I agree with Howard Dean. yardwork Nov 2014 #22
One of the really good people in this country... First Speaker Nov 2014 #23
DAYUM but I LOVE Howard Dean!!!!!!!!!! calimary Nov 2014 #24
Warren/Dean 2016! Helen Borg Nov 2014 #25
I don't know if Dean is the guy to lead us anymore el scorcho Nov 2014 #26
Dean needs to be back as DNC chair ASAP. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #28
Hey Howard please run again madokie Nov 2014 #29
Our original DFA group xxqqqzme Nov 2014 #73
Did someone above blame DSW for 2010 drubbing? caber09 Nov 2014 #31
What I was hoping for... ReRe Nov 2014 #34
Those losing Dems were in fact, emulating the Prez...... DeSwiss Nov 2014 #39
Can't agree with your Mencken quote - too Libertarian/ nihilist for my tastes. hedgehog Nov 2014 #42
Yeah! What kind of Democrat would promote, 'All government is evil/bad'? Dawgs Nov 2014 #46
Centrist are to blame folks 4dsc Nov 2014 #40
kick hedgehog Nov 2014 #41
Thank you Dr. Dean for stating the truth samsingh Nov 2014 #47
Problem Is Robbins Nov 2014 #48
I wish Howard Dean would run again. MatthewStLouis Nov 2014 #49
The US is not a democracy. It is an oligarchy. PDJane Nov 2014 #51
That is unfortunately the truth. olegramps Nov 2014 #52
But we CAN take back the Democratic Party. stillwaiting Nov 2014 #76
+1 Nihil Nov 2014 #77
Yep. I know. The Corporations have gained a lot of Power. PDJane Nov 2014 #78
But they always betray us. The Stranger Nov 2014 #53
How true, how true! Oh for the days of Howard Dean as Party Chair! Stevepol Nov 2014 #55
I miss Howard Dean. (nt) apnu Nov 2014 #56
IF we still hade a Fifty State Plan turbinetree Nov 2014 #57
God, ya gotta love Dean. riqster Nov 2014 #59
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #60
How Dumb are Democrats? flying-skeleton Nov 2014 #62
Well . . . markpkessinger Nov 2014 #65
The current Dem party Flatpicker Nov 2014 #69
Someone should really tell Chuck Todd what the word 'infamous' means n/t markpkessinger Nov 2014 #72
"You gotta stand for something if you’re gonna win!" JDPriestly Nov 2014 #74
Dems list control of the senate because corporations and billionaires want TPP passed. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #75
K and R bigwillq Nov 2014 #80

derby378

(30,252 posts)
1. If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything, and the Tea Party will kick your ass
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:55 PM
Nov 2014

I want a political party, not just a bunch of guys with a "D" next to their name on the ballot.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
3. Thank you Dr. Dean
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:01 PM
Nov 2014

Most of those who ran away from Obama lost and played right into the Republicans hand. Good job!

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
4. This man had a winning long-term strategy which produced short-term results. That is,
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:04 PM
Nov 2014

when he left the chairmanship, so did the strategy.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
13. What a great combination it would be for Howard Dean to return as
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:47 PM
Nov 2014

DNC chairman and Elizabeth Warren as our Presidential candidate....Think that would bring out the Democrats.....
I think so.
Talk about the Democratic party returning to the party of the working class, middle class WOW !!

calimary

(81,127 posts)
27. Amen!!! Can I help with that?
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:24 PM
Nov 2014

I would LOVE to help with that! Where do I sign up? Seriously! Is there a movement to get rid of DEBBIE and bring back Howard Dean? Now is certainly when we need one! She's now presided over two straight midterm drubbings for us, Miss WE-Know-Better-than-the-Grassroots. He made the midterms something to sing about.

I bet Howard Dean wouldn't have let so many states go red in 2010 - an all-important "zero year" when the census is taken and reapportionment of Congressional districts is done. Which, in 2010 handed most of the country to the far-more-shrewd-and-DEVIOUS GOP. And dear sweet DEBBIE just dozed, dammit!!!

former9thward

(31,948 posts)
32. The 2010 elections were under the last redistricting.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:17 PM
Nov 2014

The census did not get finished until the end of 2010. The new redistricting took place for the 2012 elections.

calimary

(81,127 posts)
36. Yep, my point exactly. Any governor who got elected in the KEY years - the "zero years," will be
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:27 PM
Nov 2014

perfectly positioned to influence reapportionment. Any governor elected in 2012 would be in office too late, unless he/she was either a Dem with Dem-supervised reapportionment and interpretation of the census, or he/she could veto what comes charging at him/her from a GOP state legislature. It's CRITICALLY important to have D's in place there! 2012 is too late. Both 2014 and 2016 are too late AND too early. You need to have a Dem WIN in either the 8s or the zero years, in order to have ANY influence over how the census is applied and districts are reapportioned. To ignore or forget that is LETHAL in politics. Look what we're up against now. Roughly ONE MILLION more Democratic votes even in a Presidential year, and we STILL do not dominate the House. Because the bad guys rigged it with the governorships. And ALEC was in there, and koch brothers/American Enterprise Institute/brent bozell-kkkkarl rove-reince priebus-limbaugh were in there pounding away giving it big-time tailwind and grooming and strategizing for the Secretary of State seats in as many states as possible. The Secretary of State's job includes supervision and oversight of elections.

So it is CRITICAL to dig in deep at the state level, and unfortunately, the GOP has a head start THERE, too, dammit! We need to focus on as many governorships and secretary-of-state jobs as we can.

There is more to be concerned with, as far as developing and focusing strategies for victory in the coming election cycles. In 2016, since governorships are mostly four-year terms, we start getting back into the red zone. Whoever wins in 2016 will be an incumbent in 2020 (another "zero year" as well as a presidential year) and have the advantage and power of incumbency. The odds are, in such a situation, incumbents tend to be favored. And even if they've done shit jobs, they're STILL favored. Look at rick scott in Florida and sam fucking brownback in Kansas. Their obits were being written because they were so incompetent at their jobs and thus justifiably unpopular! And they STILL prevailed! scott walker in Wisconsin, too! So the next election cycle is BEYOND critical!!!!

And sadly, I don't see and haven't heart ANY indication that DEBBIE is even looking ahead with that in mind.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
30. When Chuck Todd asked him...
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:55 PM
Nov 2014

... if he was going to run in 2016, he said no, that he was going to support Hillary Clinton. Did you know that?

harun

(11,348 posts)
45. Dean is a Progressive, the Blue Dogs third way BS took over and it all went to hell.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:37 AM
Nov 2014

Voters didn't buy it. They said if you are all going to be Republican's we'll just vote for the damn Republicans.

 
58. He was the star
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:08 PM
Nov 2014

A star at least until his ill fated rebel yell immediately made him untouchable.

Now all we remember him for is his girly shriek.

Democrats just refuse to fight, fight for our leaders, our best who make mistakes, and for ourselves. We accept victory on our terms while Republicans fight bitterly to take or maintain control.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
5. You certainly can win if you play to fear!!
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:05 PM
Nov 2014

This is simple.. We are a nation filled with frightened people ( a republican characteristic)... With incredible advertising funds brought to us by Corporate America ( Koch Brothers,and so many others).. Every possible thing to fear (Thuggery into our neighborhoods, Hoards of illegal Immigrants carrying crime and ebola into border state
communities, Homosexual attacking our values) was plastered all over the media for months. On top of this there was very little push back to these fucking lies by inept political democrats..

This ginning up of fear by the Republicans and their corporate money sucking friends, was the primary reason why we got our asses kicked in the mid-terms.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
63. they should fear the economy
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:53 PM
Nov 2014

with a republicon-controlled house and senate because unlike the other crap republicons peddle to control them, republicons will hurt them economically. i am not talking about the billionaires, of course. i am talking about people who have exhausted UI benefits: there are no federal extensions because of republicons. i am talking about people who cannot find a decent paying job: there is no jobs bill because of republicons. democrats need to blast them on their lack of concern for working people.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
70. Oh, for God sakes...
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 12:11 AM
Nov 2014

You think? You’re being way to rational.. These people I tell you live in complete fear..backed by their church
their fear of the black/brown man..Homosexuals, Isis, Ebola, beheadings, thuggery in their neighborhoods..Liberal Democrats allowing homicidal crazies to get out of jail early.. I’m telling you its just about fear...

shopgirl

(23 posts)
38. Amen
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:57 PM
Nov 2014

Why in the world did we run away from Obama in this election? Unemployment is down. Is it perfect? No, but we are worlds away from the mess that Bush left. The stock market is at an all time high. Gas prices are down. No terrorist attacks. And the Republicans are winning?? What's wrong with this picture? In my view, Obama has been a terrific president. Am I wrong?

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
43. You're not wrong
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:33 AM
Nov 2014

but because he's not perfect, to many (even here in the DU world) he's the devil incarnate. Infuriating, isn't it? Welcome to DU, shopgirl.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. He is entitled to change his mind
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:54 PM
Nov 2014

I've made it no secret that I don't support Hillary Clinton-Sachs. If she's our *only* choice, maybe, but she's a relic at this point. Not because of age, but because of political ideals.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
33. Howard Dean should take a look at the voters that would support her or not
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:35 PM
Nov 2014

and he might realize that she might not be able to pull of a win.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
68. And Im thinking if Howard Dean ran for President in 2016 I
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:59 PM
Nov 2014

seriously doubt that he would sound like the same "liberal"as he was in 2004. think he would be much more of a moderate.
Like every other Democrat in Congress (except for the few we love) that used to be real Democrats are now proud members of the Blue Dogs.
Now with Elizabeth Warren what you see is what you get and she is a "liberal" and she would carry that same message with her to the White House....Liberals would actually show up and vote where as with Hillary..well if Democrats want another ass kicking go ahead and nominate her.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
61. I'd be curious exactly what he said. At this point if you ask most Democratic politicians,
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 03:59 PM
Nov 2014

they will respond that they will support H. Clinton-Sachs if she runs. I would take that with a grain of salt. The real question is whether they would support H. Clinton-Sachs over Sen Warren.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
67. He said it in the same interview
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:17 PM
Nov 2014

He said in response to a question if he would run. He didn't have to answer that by mentioning hillary at all. Listen to the entire interview of course he can change his mind. Even you can change your mind.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
9. Amen!
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:28 PM
Nov 2014

That has been the overall problem of the Democratic Party since its heart and sole died with Robert F. Kennedy in 1968.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
14. good we have one
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:50 PM
Nov 2014

democratic party leader with courage. I agree with him. Our message as articulated by our candidates was just what he said. No loyalty to party or party POTUS. Desertion under fire and cowardice in face of the enemy. Bravo mr. dean. Kasserine Pass retreat had nothing on this rout of the democrats during this battle.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
19. DLC'ers hate him because he isn't bought
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 06:23 PM
Nov 2014

he is not even particularly far to the left, but his appeal to actual voters and his campaign that made most of its money from small donations scared the crap out of the elite.

He represents actual democracy not just the appearance of it.

He was lucky his take down was only with ridicule instead of a plane crash, car accident, or bullet.


 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
21. I agree on all counts
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 06:30 PM
Nov 2014

He is that rare animal, an ethical politician who can't be bought or controlled by special interests.

calimary

(81,127 posts)
24. DAYUM but I LOVE Howard Dean!!!!!!!!!!
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:16 PM
Nov 2014

That is all. I fucking LOVE Howard Dean!!!!! I wish the rest of the Dems loved and paid attention to him! Because yet again, he just nails it!!!!

 

el scorcho

(58 posts)
26. I don't know if Dean is the guy to lead us anymore
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:20 PM
Nov 2014

but he's 100% correct with his statement. You gotta stand for something if your gonna win.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
73. Our original DFA group
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 03:35 AM
Nov 2014

celebrated our 10th anniversary in April. We are still going strong, 50-60 people each month. Many people from our DFA-OC have run for office and some have won. I wear my Dean T-shirt to our anniversary parties. Yep, still a Deaniac too.

 

caber09

(666 posts)
31. Did someone above blame DSW for 2010 drubbing?
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:01 PM
Nov 2014

Jesus do your HW it was Obama's handpicked Tim Kaine that was in charge for that debacle. DSW oversaw the 2012 successful election campaign and now this drubbing, please do your research before throwing out blame...Obama picked Kaine, after replacing the very successful Dean...DWS was in charge during this current debacle and yes should be replaced, hopefully by Dean...and Dean and Warren??? You're kidding right...he supports Clinton as he said....AND you really think Warren would be Deans ideal candidate? Remember Deans strategy is to match the candidate with the population, not running a liberal in a red area.....I highly doubt Warren would match his ideal Presidential candidate...the same strategy a lot of you are complaining about...problem is under Dean the candidates were vetted better....Dean would be great and prob what we need right now.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
34. What I was hoping for...
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 08:53 PM
Nov 2014

... from Howard Dean was him standing up and telling the world what has REALLY happened to the Democratic Party. But when Chuck Todd asked him if he was going to run in 2016, he said no, that he was supporting Hillary Clinton. What I hope he meant was he will support Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic Nominee for POTUS in 2016. You know, I'm a Democrat through and through, and I vote every time the polls are open. For Democrats. Every two years, and any little local election that occurs in between. But I've learned much since Tuesday, and I imagine I will learn more, as time passes. But as of today?
Let's just put it this way: I will vote ONLY for a real Democrat. A FDR Democrat.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
39. Those losing Dems were in fact, emulating the Prez......
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:02 PM
Nov 2014

...where his political philosophy (as with his foreign policy) is: ''Don't do anything stupid!'' But in distancing themselves from him and trying not to be like him, they become him:

- Aloof, standing alone, standing for nothing but themselves.....

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
40. Centrist are to blame folks
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:00 AM
Nov 2014

they set the party up for failure to make Hillary look like the savior in 2016. Don't buy what she is selling.

samsingh

(17,593 posts)
47. Thank you Dr. Dean for stating the truth
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:17 AM
Nov 2014

I have no idea why our leaders are such cowards in front of the gop and why we underestimate them.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
48. Problem Is
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:33 AM
Nov 2014

He supports Hillary for 2016 which If you are upset with Obama she will move more centrist and more hawkish than her.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
51. The US is not a democracy. It is an oligarchy.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:41 AM
Nov 2014

The voting for this or that person is a sideshow to keep us happy. It doesn't mean much.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
52. That is unfortunately the truth.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:17 PM
Nov 2014

The Republicans especially gin up their base with wedge issues they have no intention of pursuing while the present Democrats try to run away from anything the party actually is supposed to stand for. The wealthy just regard it as a amusing spectacle that plays right into their hands. The oligarchs will fund the Republicans so they can oppose any progressive legislation while they give lip service to Democrats who suck up to them for campaign contributions. Until the Democrats actually embrace progressive concepts the game will remain rigged and the plight of the working class will continue its downward spiral. The real suckers of this vicious game are the working class that continue to support this tragic comedy.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
76. But we CAN take back the Democratic Party.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 10:20 AM
Nov 2014

We will have to work very, very, VERY hard to do so.

And we will have to grow the movement and gain support for progressive policies outside of the current Party and mainstream media sources.

But we can start to do that one day. It will take a massive movement to get involved at the local and primary levels to even get candidates that would represent average Americans over Wall Street interests though. A massive and sustained movement for many years would be required.

In the meantime we can vote for Democrats, but we don't have to pretend that the current Democratic Party is fantastic. With that said it is still important to vote for Democrats.

Harm reduction has value, and maybe one day we will get to vote for more Democrats that will actually promote policies that substantially HELP the working class, middle class, and the poor.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
53. But they always betray us.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:01 PM
Nov 2014

They always capitulate and pretend to be "adults" while fucking their country and the world, over and over and over.

It really does make you wonder if they are on the payroll too -- shills, play actors -- all of them, for the 1%.

turbinetree

(24,685 posts)
57. IF we still hade a Fifty State Plan
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:00 PM
Nov 2014

I posted the below tag earlier on how the candidate Brown/ Ulman lost the race in Maryland for Governor and Lt. Governor
If the democratic party had in its agenda instead of dismantling the Dean strategy they would not have gotten what occurred in this state and other states: please read



Brown did not and I repeat did not come to Cecil County, he gave up this county, and he sent Ulman his proposed Lt. Governor, that is not good enough, your capital is to attack how these two jerks (Hogan and Rutherford) are going too propose giving "tax Breaks" and in fact just Like Christie and Walker Scott and Kaicsh are doing to the help the already rich, and look at were there sates are when in comes to debt to job creation and other crap in the proverbial s**t hole, and those people in Wisconsin voted the criminal back into office, are they that stupid I mean really.
It just like in a lot ways the new Matt Tiabbi story in the new Rolling Stone edition about the collusion of the DOJ and JP Morgan Chase, and that is culpability is good keep doing it, but digress.

Brown should have came here and said "Why in this republican district in two election cycles why hasn't the republicans in office and in power and trying to get into office why have they not proposed to getting high paying jobs and industry in the district and in the county, while in Cecil County they want to cut more public education to do what, nothing just cut the education to save taxes, and these same hypocrites go around and say they don't have qualified higher educated people for there proposed high industry they are trying to get, when they don't have the educational workforce, that is what they are saying, and these people in this county are buying this s**T hook line and sinker and wonder why they have a Walmart sucking the taxes out of the county, and getting nothing in return.
Both of them (Brown and Ulman) should have gone around this country right after this corporatist Hogan and Rutherford were here and dogged his every move and said something other than visit St. Michels the lower shore an elitist enclave, Montgomery County and the beltway around Washington
Brown should have said and I believe this to be true after I told Tilghman who was running against the fascists Congressman Harris (the right wing fascist Congressman doctor) who is the right wing Club for Growth / Koch brother a**hole, that, once this fascists(Hogan) gets into office one of the first things this prick is going to do, is go after voting laws in this state and try to turn this state red with voter suppression and Union busting middle class tactics, and to cut education and cut taxes, they (right wing republicans) got two top and bought politicians in this state out of how many in this election cycle.

In the last two election cycles it has gone to the corporatist republican right wing hypocrites on the eastern shore, because the democrats have given up on this county and district and there is no f**king wonder why they and we are losing---go figure.
If this is how the democrats use a chart to get votes they are in deep trouble, Van Hollen only got 60% of the vote and its falling in his Maryland district, what does that tell you, the republicans already own and have bought over 3,5000 council, school board, state senate and state representative seats and the federal level seats with the help of the corrupt judicial system and Citizens United , and if you have a party trying to cherry pick an election in your areas of strength your return becomes more restricted with less if you only make a appearance of contrivance to say the least, and if the democrats haven't figured this out they will become the secondary party know matter what you hear from the talking heads that there is more "minorities in the majority and the right wing republican party will disappear, try the thinking the other way, the media is attacking the democrats to make them into the party of the so called INSTINCT, think of that and what I just said.
27 states are hard core right wing republicans they need only to get to 38 states to have a CONSTITIONAL CONVENTION TO SET THE F**KING AGENDA and its working and if you don't control the state you are F**K

So if this party of the human beings wanting to help out its fellow human beings want to win, they need to go back to the Dean model, because it worked plain and simple

flying-skeleton

(696 posts)
62. How Dumb are Democrats?
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:42 PM
Nov 2014

Democrats are so dumb that for every spine the Republicans grow, the Democrats throw one away.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
69. The current Dem party
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:29 PM
Nov 2014

Is unable to accept that actual progressive ideas can be popular.
The election in 2014 showed that. Ignore the congressional results and look at the individual issues.


SEE what is important to the people and act accordingly.

or

Stick your head in the sand and continue to lose.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
74. "You gotta stand for something if you’re gonna win!"
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 04:21 AM
Nov 2014

That's what we progressives want. We don't demand that everyone agree with us on every issue. But the issues should be -- the ISSUES -- not personalities all the time. The ISSUES discussed in an intelligent way that affects the voters' lives.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
75. Dems list control of the senate because corporations and billionaires want TPP passed.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 10:05 AM
Nov 2014

And Obama can't get it passed with a Democratic Senate. He needs the GOP to get this fascist bastion of greed enacted as law.

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