Howard Dean Rips Democrats: ‘You Cannot Win if You Are Afraid’
Source: Mediaite
Former DNC chair Howard Dean criticized the Democrats (including but not limited to the DNC) on Meet the Press Sunday morning for not staying on message, or even crafting a message, in the run-up to last weeks severe midterm loss.
The biggest problem was message, Dean said. Sure it was an off-year and we can make all these excuses. But even through the days of the fifty-state strategy and taking over the House, the Senate, and the White House in four years, I could never get the Washington Democrats to stay on message.
The Republican message was Were not Obama, no substance whatsoever, he continued. What was the Democrats message? Oh, were not either. You cannot win if you are afraid! Where was the Democratic party? You gotta stand for something if youre gonna win!
Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/howard-dean-rips-democrats-you-cannot-win-if-you-are-afraid/
Video at link
derby378
(30,252 posts)I want a political party, not just a bunch of guys with a "D" next to their name on the ballot.
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Most of those who ran away from Obama lost and played right into the Republicans hand. Good job!
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)when he left the chairmanship, so did the strategy.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)DNC chairman and Elizabeth Warren as our Presidential candidate....Think that would bring out the Democrats.....
I think so.
Talk about the Democratic party returning to the party of the working class, middle class WOW !!
calimary
(81,127 posts)I would LOVE to help with that! Where do I sign up? Seriously! Is there a movement to get rid of DEBBIE and bring back Howard Dean? Now is certainly when we need one! She's now presided over two straight midterm drubbings for us, Miss WE-Know-Better-than-the-Grassroots. He made the midterms something to sing about.
I bet Howard Dean wouldn't have let so many states go red in 2010 - an all-important "zero year" when the census is taken and reapportionment of Congressional districts is done. Which, in 2010 handed most of the country to the far-more-shrewd-and-DEVIOUS GOP. And dear sweet DEBBIE just dozed, dammit!!!
former9thward
(31,948 posts)The census did not get finished until the end of 2010. The new redistricting took place for the 2012 elections.
calimary
(81,127 posts)perfectly positioned to influence reapportionment. Any governor elected in 2012 would be in office too late, unless he/she was either a Dem with Dem-supervised reapportionment and interpretation of the census, or he/she could veto what comes charging at him/her from a GOP state legislature. It's CRITICALLY important to have D's in place there! 2012 is too late. Both 2014 and 2016 are too late AND too early. You need to have a Dem WIN in either the 8s or the zero years, in order to have ANY influence over how the census is applied and districts are reapportioned. To ignore or forget that is LETHAL in politics. Look what we're up against now. Roughly ONE MILLION more Democratic votes even in a Presidential year, and we STILL do not dominate the House. Because the bad guys rigged it with the governorships. And ALEC was in there, and koch brothers/American Enterprise Institute/brent bozell-kkkkarl rove-reince priebus-limbaugh were in there pounding away giving it big-time tailwind and grooming and strategizing for the Secretary of State seats in as many states as possible. The Secretary of State's job includes supervision and oversight of elections.
So it is CRITICAL to dig in deep at the state level, and unfortunately, the GOP has a head start THERE, too, dammit! We need to focus on as many governorships and secretary-of-state jobs as we can.
There is more to be concerned with, as far as developing and focusing strategies for victory in the coming election cycles. In 2016, since governorships are mostly four-year terms, we start getting back into the red zone. Whoever wins in 2016 will be an incumbent in 2020 (another "zero year" as well as a presidential year) and have the advantage and power of incumbency. The odds are, in such a situation, incumbents tend to be favored. And even if they've done shit jobs, they're STILL favored. Look at rick scott in Florida and sam fucking brownback in Kansas. Their obits were being written because they were so incompetent at their jobs and thus justifiably unpopular! And they STILL prevailed! scott walker in Wisconsin, too! So the next election cycle is BEYOND critical!!!!
And sadly, I don't see and haven't heart ANY indication that DEBBIE is even looking ahead with that in mind.
LeftInTX
(25,150 posts)Urging voters to contact the DNC
Note response #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5791454
calimary
(81,127 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... if he was going to run in 2016, he said no, that he was going to support Hillary Clinton. Did you know that?
pscot
(21,024 posts)I'd let candidates sort out the rest.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)Voters didn't buy it. They said if you are all going to be Republican's we'll just vote for the damn Republicans.
Central Scruitinizer
(57 posts)A star at least until his ill fated rebel yell immediately made him untouchable.
Now all we remember him for is his girly shriek.
Democrats just refuse to fight, fight for our leaders, our best who make mistakes, and for ourselves. We accept victory on our terms while Republicans fight bitterly to take or maintain control.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)This is simple.. We are a nation filled with frightened people ( a republican characteristic)... With incredible advertising funds brought to us by Corporate America ( Koch Brothers,and so many others).. Every possible thing to fear (Thuggery into our neighborhoods, Hoards of illegal Immigrants carrying crime and ebola into border state
communities, Homosexual attacking our values) was plastered all over the media for months. On top of this there was very little push back to these fucking lies by inept political democrats..
This ginning up of fear by the Republicans and their corporate money sucking friends, was the primary reason why we got our asses kicked in the mid-terms.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)with a republicon-controlled house and senate because unlike the other crap republicons peddle to control them, republicons will hurt them economically. i am not talking about the billionaires, of course. i am talking about people who have exhausted UI benefits: there are no federal extensions because of republicons. i am talking about people who cannot find a decent paying job: there is no jobs bill because of republicons. democrats need to blast them on their lack of concern for working people.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)You think? Youre being way to rational.. These people I tell you live in complete fear..backed by their church
their fear of the black/brown man..Homosexuals, Isis, Ebola, beheadings, thuggery in their neighborhoods..Liberal Democrats allowing homicidal crazies to get out of jail early.. Im telling you its just about fear...
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)for being too rational. you are right
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)He is 100% correct!
whathehell
(29,034 posts)KrazyinKS
(291 posts)No message, none.
Why in the world did we run away from Obama in this election? Unemployment is down. Is it perfect? No, but we are worlds away from the mess that Bush left. The stock market is at an all time high. Gas prices are down. No terrorist attacks. And the Republicans are winning?? What's wrong with this picture? In my view, Obama has been a terrific president. Am I wrong?
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)but because he's not perfect, to many (even here in the DU world) he's the devil incarnate. Infuriating, isn't it? Welcome to DU, shopgirl.
Maineman
(854 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)he's said that several times
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I've made it no secret that I don't support Hillary Clinton-Sachs. If she's our *only* choice, maybe, but she's a relic at this point. Not because of age, but because of political ideals.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)and he might realize that she might not be able to pull of a win.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)She will lose twice. She isn't a Dem.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)As we saw last week.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)seriously doubt that he would sound like the same "liberal"as he was in 2004. think he would be much more of a moderate.
Like every other Democrat in Congress (except for the few we love) that used to be real Democrats are now proud members of the Blue Dogs.
Now with Elizabeth Warren what you see is what you get and she is a "liberal" and she would carry that same message with her to the White House....Liberals would actually show up and vote where as with Hillary..well if Democrats want another ass kicking go ahead and nominate her.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)they will respond that they will support H. Clinton-Sachs if she runs. I would take that with a grain of salt. The real question is whether they would support H. Clinton-Sachs over Sen Warren.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)He said in response to a question if he would run. He didn't have to answer that by mentioning hillary at all. Listen to the entire interview of course he can change his mind. Even you can change your mind.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)That has been the overall problem of the Democratic Party since its heart and sole died with Robert F. Kennedy in 1968.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)democratic party leader with courage. I agree with him. Our message as articulated by our candidates was just what he said. No loyalty to party or party POTUS. Desertion under fire and cowardice in face of the enemy. Bravo mr. dean. Kasserine Pass retreat had nothing on this rout of the democrats during this battle.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)now more than ever.
K&R
yurbud
(39,405 posts)he is not even particularly far to the left, but his appeal to actual voters and his campaign that made most of its money from small donations scared the crap out of the elite.
He represents actual democracy not just the appearance of it.
He was lucky his take down was only with ridicule instead of a plane crash, car accident, or bullet.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)He is that rare animal, an ethical politician who can't be bought or controlled by special interests.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
yardwork
(61,539 posts)First Speaker
(4,858 posts)calimary
(81,127 posts)That is all. I fucking LOVE Howard Dean!!!!! I wish the rest of the Dems loved and paid attention to him! Because yet again, he just nails it!!!!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Okay, let me dream
el scorcho
(58 posts)but he's 100% correct with his statement. You gotta stand for something if your gonna win.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)I really felt good supporting him back then and still call my self a deaniac
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)celebrated our 10th anniversary in April. We are still going strong, 50-60 people each month. Many people from our DFA-OC have run for office and some have won. I wear my Dean T-shirt to our anniversary parties. Yep, still a Deaniac too.
caber09
(666 posts)Jesus do your HW it was Obama's handpicked Tim Kaine that was in charge for that debacle. DSW oversaw the 2012 successful election campaign and now this drubbing, please do your research before throwing out blame...Obama picked Kaine, after replacing the very successful Dean...DWS was in charge during this current debacle and yes should be replaced, hopefully by Dean...and Dean and Warren??? You're kidding right...he supports Clinton as he said....AND you really think Warren would be Deans ideal candidate? Remember Deans strategy is to match the candidate with the population, not running a liberal in a red area.....I highly doubt Warren would match his ideal Presidential candidate...the same strategy a lot of you are complaining about...problem is under Dean the candidates were vetted better....Dean would be great and prob what we need right now.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... from Howard Dean was him standing up and telling the world what has REALLY happened to the Democratic Party. But when Chuck Todd asked him if he was going to run in 2016, he said no, that he was supporting Hillary Clinton. What I hope he meant was he will support Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic Nominee for POTUS in 2016. You know, I'm a Democrat through and through, and I vote every time the polls are open. For Democrats. Every two years, and any little local election that occurs in between. But I've learned much since Tuesday, and I imagine I will learn more, as time passes. But as of today?
Let's just put it this way: I will vote ONLY for a real Democrat. A FDR Democrat.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...where his political philosophy (as with his foreign policy) is: ''Don't do anything stupid!'' But in distancing themselves from him and trying not to be like him, they become him:
- Aloof, standing alone, standing for nothing but themselves.....
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Weird, right?
4dsc
(5,787 posts)they set the party up for failure to make Hillary look like the savior in 2016. Don't buy what she is selling.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)samsingh
(17,593 posts)I have no idea why our leaders are such cowards in front of the gop and why we underestimate them.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)He supports Hillary for 2016 which If you are upset with Obama she will move more centrist and more hawkish than her.
MatthewStLouis
(904 posts)If I could go back in time to '04, I'd give my vote to him.
PDJane
(10,103 posts)The voting for this or that person is a sideshow to keep us happy. It doesn't mean much.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)The Republicans especially gin up their base with wedge issues they have no intention of pursuing while the present Democrats try to run away from anything the party actually is supposed to stand for. The wealthy just regard it as a amusing spectacle that plays right into their hands. The oligarchs will fund the Republicans so they can oppose any progressive legislation while they give lip service to Democrats who suck up to them for campaign contributions. Until the Democrats actually embrace progressive concepts the game will remain rigged and the plight of the working class will continue its downward spiral. The real suckers of this vicious game are the working class that continue to support this tragic comedy.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)We will have to work very, very, VERY hard to do so.
And we will have to grow the movement and gain support for progressive policies outside of the current Party and mainstream media sources.
But we can start to do that one day. It will take a massive movement to get involved at the local and primary levels to even get candidates that would represent average Americans over Wall Street interests though. A massive and sustained movement for many years would be required.
In the meantime we can vote for Democrats, but we don't have to pretend that the current Democratic Party is fantastic. With that said it is still important to vote for Democrats.
Harm reduction has value, and maybe one day we will get to vote for more Democrats that will actually promote policies that substantially HELP the working class, middle class, and the poor.
(And it's not just the US either.)
PDJane
(10,103 posts)The Stranger
(11,297 posts)They always capitulate and pretend to be "adults" while fucking their country and the world, over and over and over.
It really does make you wonder if they are on the payroll too -- shills, play actors -- all of them, for the 1%.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)apnu
(8,749 posts)turbinetree
(24,685 posts)I posted the below tag earlier on how the candidate Brown/ Ulman lost the race in Maryland for Governor and Lt. Governor
If the democratic party had in its agenda instead of dismantling the Dean strategy they would not have gotten what occurred in this state and other states: please read
Brown did not and I repeat did not come to Cecil County, he gave up this county, and he sent Ulman his proposed Lt. Governor, that is not good enough, your capital is to attack how these two jerks (Hogan and Rutherford) are going too propose giving "tax Breaks" and in fact just Like Christie and Walker Scott and Kaicsh are doing to the help the already rich, and look at were there sates are when in comes to debt to job creation and other crap in the proverbial s**t hole, and those people in Wisconsin voted the criminal back into office, are they that stupid I mean really.
It just like in a lot ways the new Matt Tiabbi story in the new Rolling Stone edition about the collusion of the DOJ and JP Morgan Chase, and that is culpability is good keep doing it, but digress.
Brown should have came here and said "Why in this republican district in two election cycles why hasn't the republicans in office and in power and trying to get into office why have they not proposed to getting high paying jobs and industry in the district and in the county, while in Cecil County they want to cut more public education to do what, nothing just cut the education to save taxes, and these same hypocrites go around and say they don't have qualified higher educated people for there proposed high industry they are trying to get, when they don't have the educational workforce, that is what they are saying, and these people in this county are buying this s**T hook line and sinker and wonder why they have a Walmart sucking the taxes out of the county, and getting nothing in return.
Both of them (Brown and Ulman) should have gone around this country right after this corporatist Hogan and Rutherford were here and dogged his every move and said something other than visit St. Michels the lower shore an elitist enclave, Montgomery County and the beltway around Washington
Brown should have said and I believe this to be true after I told Tilghman who was running against the fascists Congressman Harris (the right wing fascist Congressman doctor) who is the right wing Club for Growth / Koch brother a**hole, that, once this fascists(Hogan) gets into office one of the first things this prick is going to do, is go after voting laws in this state and try to turn this state red with voter suppression and Union busting middle class tactics, and to cut education and cut taxes, they (right wing republicans) got two top and bought politicians in this state out of how many in this election cycle.
In the last two election cycles it has gone to the corporatist republican right wing hypocrites on the eastern shore, because the democrats have given up on this county and district and there is no f**king wonder why they and we are losing---go figure.
If this is how the democrats use a chart to get votes they are in deep trouble, Van Hollen only got 60% of the vote and its falling in his Maryland district, what does that tell you, the republicans already own and have bought over 3,5000 council, school board, state senate and state representative seats and the federal level seats with the help of the corrupt judicial system and Citizens United , and if you have a party trying to cherry pick an election in your areas of strength your return becomes more restricted with less if you only make a appearance of contrivance to say the least, and if the democrats haven't figured this out they will become the secondary party know matter what you hear from the talking heads that there is more "minorities in the majority and the right wing republican party will disappear, try the thinking the other way, the media is attacking the democrats to make them into the party of the so called INSTINCT, think of that and what I just said.
27 states are hard core right wing republicans they need only to get to 38 states to have a CONSTITIONAL CONVENTION TO SET THE F**KING AGENDA and its working and if you don't control the state you are F**K
So if this party of the human beings wanting to help out its fellow human beings want to win, they need to go back to the Dean model, because it worked plain and simple
riqster
(13,986 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)flying-skeleton
(696 posts)Democrats are so dumb that for every spine the Republicans grow, the Democrats throw one away.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . they were dumb enough to sideline Dean in favor of DWS, so . . .
Flatpicker
(894 posts)Is unable to accept that actual progressive ideas can be popular.
The election in 2014 showed that. Ignore the congressional results and look at the individual issues.
SEE what is important to the people and act accordingly.
or
Stick your head in the sand and continue to lose.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That's what we progressives want. We don't demand that everyone agree with us on every issue. But the issues should be -- the ISSUES -- not personalities all the time. The ISSUES discussed in an intelligent way that affects the voters' lives.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)And Obama can't get it passed with a Democratic Senate. He needs the GOP to get this fascist bastion of greed enacted as law.