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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 01:55 PM Nov 2014

Senate Dems Invented A Leadership Spot For Elizabeth Warren

Source: TalkingPointsMemo.com

Senate Democrats are elevating Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) to a new leadership position on Thursday. She will help shape policy and messaging for the party.

Warren will also serve as a liaison to liberal organizations, according to The Huffington Post.

A top Democratic leadership aide told TPM that "the idea was to create a position in leadership for her within the Democratic Policy and Communications Center, which is the messaging and policy “war room” chaired by Senator Schumer and Vice Chair Stabenow."

Warren, of course, is a favorite of the liberal wing of the Democratic party. She's recently played a key role asa top surrogate for embattled Democrats in the last election cycle (making late-game trips to help Rep. Bruce Braley (D-IA) and Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH). By April of 2014 Warren had raised over $1 million for 26 Senate Democrats in the cycle.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/elizabeth-warren-senate-democratic-leadership



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Senate Dems Invented A Leadership Spot For Elizabeth Warren (Original Post) meegbear Nov 2014 OP
This is good, but.... vi5 Nov 2014 #1
I'm going to assume this is a good thing and not just an empty gesture to the lib'ruls. arcane1 Nov 2014 #2
It's taken years of incubation, but I've become pretty suspicious of such gestures RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #3
It looks to me like they are putting somebody in place who is brave enough Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #5
I definitely agree with your last sentence. Not so sure about the others though. n/t RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #10
She is articulate and can explain things to morons so that they iunderstand. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #16
I don't think anyone here is suspicious of Elizabeth Warren RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #24
No single individual (sorry Christians!) should be viewed as a savior RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #26
Here is where I especailly agree with you. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #43
She's a rainmaker. It's a sensible decision. MADem Nov 2014 #50
This is to get her in the fold Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #4
Elizabeth Warren would never cause a rift. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #15
I think we agree Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #18
'They won't listen to her" at their peril. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #44
Didn't read it. Deny and Shred Nov 2014 #46
They are giving her a high profile. Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #6
I hope this isn't a trap. earthside Nov 2014 #7
Of course it is a trap in y view. sadoldgirl Nov 2014 #9
I would think Elizabeth Warren is one smart cookie and would see a blindside coming from Fla Dem Nov 2014 #13
After reading her latest book, I agree she will back away from any trap or sidelining. Maineman Nov 2014 #37
Great! Warren raised money for other Democrats. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #8
+1 Right there with you JD. JeffHead Nov 2014 #52
color me very suspicious with a large dash of cynical, for all reasons posted above. nt. magical thyme Nov 2014 #11
This is good BECAUSE she won't settle for b.s. elleng Nov 2014 #12
I'm sorry but this smells PFunk Nov 2014 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #17
This is bad albino65 Nov 2014 #19
Liberal wing of the Democratic party agtcovert Nov 2014 #20
so true angrychair Nov 2014 #32
I hope the party poobahs read this thread BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #22
Schumer needs to be taught what "liberals" are.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #23
If the Pukes and Baggers "invented" a position it would be non-newsworthy. SoapBox Nov 2014 #25
Yeah don't give a successful qualified woman a real leadership role in the senate Township75 Nov 2014 #27
We aren't supposed to look gift horses in the mouth, but since when have we been given rhett o rick Nov 2014 #28
Anything that helps Warren is great, but FoxNewsSucks Nov 2014 #29
I hope this is not just the Congressional equivalent of being Vice President. djean111 Nov 2014 #30
"a favorite of the liberal wing of the Democratic party" Roland99 Nov 2014 #31
that line breaks my by heart angrychair Nov 2014 #34
The cynicism here is thick. longship Nov 2014 #33
not hard to be cynical angrychair Nov 2014 #35
Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. longship Nov 2014 #38
I am not the least bit religious, but Longship, I think your language is despicable. Maineman Nov 2014 #36
Did not mean to offend. longship Nov 2014 #40
How many people are turned off -- avoid engaging here -- because they are offended by extremely Maineman Nov 2014 #48
I appreciate your opinion. longship Nov 2014 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #45
Please avoid small planes Senator. Deadbeat Republicans Nov 2014 #39
Her first test will be with how she liaisons with the left on Keystone vote. Hoppy Nov 2014 #41
Democrats Just Now Creating their First Liberal Liason position. NorthCarolina Nov 2014 #47
That reminds me of an old AT&T jingle: Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #54
Will they LISTEN to her, or is this to shut US up? As a bone to the libs.... peacebird Nov 2014 #51
What she needs to do hollowdweller Nov 2014 #53
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
1. This is good, but....
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 01:59 PM
Nov 2014

How about they see too it that more Dem Senators follow her lead in the things that she stands for and the positions she stakes out. I hope this isn't just a "Oh, ignore those 30-40 center-right corporate Wall Street Dems.......look at this shiny new Elizabeth Warren leadership position instead!!!!"

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
2. I'm going to assume this is a good thing and not just an empty gesture to the lib'ruls.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:02 PM
Nov 2014

Unless/until I have reason to believe otherwise

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
3. It's taken years of incubation, but I've become pretty suspicious of such gestures
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:07 PM
Nov 2014

I'm reminded of State and Main, a movie about making a movie, where the producer and director buy people off and shut people up by giving them an associate producer credit.

Joseph Turner White: What's an associate producer credit?
Bill Smith: It's what you give to your secretary instead of a raise.


The fact that it's a position especially created for her makes me very suspicious.
 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
5. It looks to me like they are putting somebody in place who is brave enough
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:17 PM
Nov 2014

to stand against the Republican majority. So I see it as a good
thing, and I don't think she can be sidelined. She's not that
dumb, and she's not corruptible.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
16. She is articulate and can explain things to morons so that they iunderstand.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:30 PM
Nov 2014

That is exactly what we need considering that most of the Republicans in Congress are morons.

She taught at Harvard Law School -- the best and brightest as well as the most privileged and most out of touch with the real world. She knows how to explain things so that people learn but don't feel talked down to.. She is very tactful and knows when to say she doesn't know. She has real humility because she has never forgotten that she came from an ordinary, near poor family.

For those suspicious of Elizabeth Warren, read her book A Fighting Chance.

She is a truly a wonderful person and a caring person. She doesn't pretend.

Brilliant humility are the words I would use to describe her most accurately.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
21. I don't think anyone here is suspicious of Elizabeth Warren
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:49 PM
Nov 2014

I think many of us are suspicious of the Democratic Party's motivations.

Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #21)

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
26. No single individual (sorry Christians!) should be viewed as a savior
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:29 PM
Nov 2014

We need some serious systemic changes. One person can start the ball rolling, but she won't be enough. To rest all our hopes on the shoulders of a single individual is to set ourselves up for disappointment and disillusionment. There's a reason that the Executive Branch is Article II of the Constitution, not Article I.

As Democrats, we need to define our ideals, policies, and principles, and then find a candidate who best embodies them. We should not be distorting our core beliefs to match the views of the person who is most "electable."

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
42. Here is where I especailly agree with you.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:52 PM
Nov 2014

As effective as Elizabeth Warren is, she can't do everything by herself. She is a great spokesperson and she can start the ball rolling.

Agreed on the following especially:

As Democrats, we need to define our ideals, policies, and principles, and then find a candidate who best embodies them. We should not be distorting our core beliefs to match the views of the person who is most "electable."

Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #26)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. She's a rainmaker. It's a sensible decision.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 10:37 PM
Nov 2014

Reid wouldn't have done it if he didn't have a game plan in mind.

Warren doesn't need a "raise." She was Chair on banking, so now she's ranking. They STILL have to listen to her, and the media will go to her first, in any event, the same way they always went to McCain (who isn't even ranking and won't be chair) on SASC shit.

The one with the reputation gets the attention, and she has the reputation.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
4. This is to get her in the fold
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:17 PM
Nov 2014

Ultimately, to bring her to heel before she causes a rift. The dem leadership recognizes they haven't appealed one iota to liberals.

She gets to be the lone liberal voice and attempt to carry the message to that pesky left. Trust, don't kill, the messenger?

The party won't adopt her policies.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
15. Elizabeth Warren would never cause a rift.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:29 PM
Nov 2014

Elizabeth Warren will do what all Democrats should do: speak their piece. Be themselves and speak for themselves.

And you are right: "The dem leadership recognizes they haven't appealed one iiota to liberals."

Elizabeth Warren raised money from ordinary voters. That's what the Democratic Party leadership wants to learn from her.

Also, Elizabeth Warren campaigned hard for right-wing and left-wing candidates this past election. She paid her dues. She deserves to be heard. She works hard. She is loyal. But she recognizes the difference between pandering and loyalty.

Go, Elizabeth Warren. Speak truth to power in your beautiful, courageous, honest way.

I just hope the fools in the hierarchy of the Democratic Party really listen to Elizabeth Warren.

Unlike most of them, she did not spend her life catering to the next-up rung of politicians. She worked and studied and learned and knows more about the economic plight of the American people than the rest of the so-called leaders of the Democratic Party put together.

Now if they will only listen to her, we may win in 2016. But I'm not betting on it.

The Larry Summers' types abound.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
18. I think we agree
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:36 PM
Nov 2014

I'm saying she has an appeal that the party recognizes and fears. The party wants to de-fang her before she rallies the left away from the party center. They want her to carry their water. The want her in their fold so they can control her, use her appeal to carry their message.

They won't listen to her.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
44. 'They won't listen to her" at their peril.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:54 PM
Nov 2014

Have you read her book. Did you read the anecdote she tells about her meeting with Larry Summers?

She is not about to trade silence for being with the "in" crowd. She is outspoken as she should be. That is not likely to change.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
46. Didn't read it.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:11 PM
Nov 2014

If she won't play ball, then she won''t take the 'leadership' position.

Perception of peril and actual peril are two different things. I believe the party fears losing the hedge fund/Wall St funding more than losing their soul. I refer to recent history as my example.

The party wants her on board, not for her opinions, but to quell those pesky lefties. If she refuses, they will go with other methods of neutralizing her potential influence.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
7. I hope this isn't a trap.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:19 PM
Nov 2014

Give her a 'leadership' position and then expect that she tow the party line 100 percent.

I, too, am suspicious that this isn't a maneuver to clear the way for Hillary by making it harder for Warren to challenge if she so decides later on.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
9. Of course it is a trap in y view.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:24 PM
Nov 2014

a) to keep the base quiet, b) to discourage her from running against the anointed one.

Fla Dem

(23,591 posts)
13. I would think Elizabeth Warren is one smart cookie and would see a blindside coming from
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:28 PM
Nov 2014

100 miles away. Having said that, I hope it isn't a trap.

Maineman

(854 posts)
37. After reading her latest book, I agree she will back away from any trap or sidelining.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:52 PM
Nov 2014

Heck, she demanded some serious clarifications and reassurances from Obama at times.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. Great! Warren raised money for other Democrats.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:23 PM
Nov 2014

She should have a voice in the messaging of the party and more.

Maybe if the Democratic Party had given her a role in the messaging before this last election, some of our candidates would have had a better message to run on.

You know what I like about Elizabeth Warren?

She is not ashamed to be what she is: a poor girl who studied hard, worked hard and used her intelligence and education to help others.

If we in the Democratic Party just send that message: no matter who you are, where you come from, what color your skin is, who your mommy and daddy are or were, if you study hard, work hard and use your intelligence and education to help others (as well as yourself and not just yourself), you deserve to to live in dignity, then we will be OK. We will attract voters, and voters will bother to come out and vote for us.

What Americans want is a fair chance and honest government. Right now, we have neither.

So bringing Elizabeth Warren and all the Americans who want what she wants -- a fair chance and honest government -- into the decisionmaking elite of our Party is the best news I have heard of in a long time.

Now if Bernie Sanders decides to "come out" as a Democrat, we will be really making progress.

elleng

(130,760 posts)
12. This is good BECAUSE she won't settle for b.s.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:26 PM
Nov 2014

Will be interesting to see how her relationship with Schumer develops.

PFunk

(876 posts)
14. I'm sorry but this smells
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:29 PM
Nov 2014

To be it looks like the corporate/DINO/3rd way dems are trying to both get points with liberal/progressive dems while getting Warren-and her views herself stealthy out of the way.

Response to meegbear (Original post)

 

albino65

(484 posts)
19. This is bad
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:36 PM
Nov 2014

They are merely trying to keep her close to shape her message and keep her under their thumb. If she gets into bed with them she will get a PTD (Politically Transmitted Disease). There is no known cure.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
22. I hope the party poobahs read this thread
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 02:54 PM
Nov 2014

We trust Senator Warren, we don't trust YOU. She better be in charge of policy, not just "messaging" while all the corporate toadies just serve their masters.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
25. If the Pukes and Baggers "invented" a position it would be non-newsworthy.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:22 PM
Nov 2014

But since it's Dems...news!

Township75

(3,535 posts)
27. Yeah don't give a successful qualified woman a real leadership role in the senate
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:33 PM
Nov 2014

She can just motivate the basto raise money or something....just keep her out of the REAL policy stuff!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
28. We aren't supposed to look gift horses in the mouth, but since when have we been given
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:50 PM
Nov 2014

gift horses or any gifts for that matter. I am very skeptical. What would make the conservative leaders of our party suddenly decide to be nice to liberals?

FoxNewsSucks

(10,425 posts)
29. Anything that helps Warren is great, but
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:54 PM
Nov 2014

why does the Democratic Party need a liaison to liberals? Are corporate leadership Dems admitting that it is no longer a "liberal" party?

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
31. "a favorite of the liberal wing of the Democratic party"
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:20 PM
Nov 2014

"the liberal wing" should not be a necessary descriptor when discussing the Democratic Party.




angrychair

(8,684 posts)
34. that line breaks my by heart
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:26 PM
Nov 2014

I thought that being a liberal was who the Democatic Party was and is but that appears to no longer true.

longship

(40,416 posts)
33. The cynicism here is thick.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:24 PM
Nov 2014

For fucking Christ! This is our party, not the GOP.

I am astounded that people here are actually putting forth some stoooopid conspiracy theory that this is some way to subvert or control Warren, or to hide her in a "basement janitor closet" (in another thread), or some other insidious cockamamie idea.

Maybe Reid likes the stuff she's made of and recognizes her worth. <== my interpretation.

But that would not fit the "Reid is evil; Democrats are evil" narrative prevalent here on DU since the midterms.

angrychair

(8,684 posts)
35. not hard to be cynical
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:37 PM
Nov 2014

Did you miss this statement from the article:

"Senator Warren will be a liaison to the liberal groups in our base to ensure that they have a voice in leadership meetings and discussions," the source said."

What the hell is a "liberal group" in the Democratic Party? Are we not all liberals?

When did Democrat leadership start needing a liaison to talk to what should be the mainstream for the Democratic Party? Are Warren's ideas so fringe for Democrat leadership?

So confused as to the direction my party want to go in at this point.




longship

(40,416 posts)
38. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:59 PM
Nov 2014

I look at the fact that Warren will have a seat at the table to be a positive step.

Apparently, many here see it as some insidious plot to control her. Screw them. They sound like Rush Limpballs and his interminable political conspiracies. That's just the kind of narrative that the GOP might trot out. And often do.

DU is Democratic Underground, not Both Parties are Alike Underground, which also plays into the GOP's hand.

My opinion of Warren is such that she is intelligent enough to not allow Senate leadership to subvert her.

Apparently, many professed Warren supporters here think much less of her.

longship

(40,416 posts)
40. Did not mean to offend.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:20 PM
Nov 2014

But the use of strong language is not against DU rules. I reserve the right to do so when I feel it is appropriate.

I do not make personal attacks here. My invective was addressed to the recent DU lunacy against the Democratic leadership in the Senate that implies that Warren's promotion to that leadership is in some way insidious.

Get a bowl, a spoon and some milk, because that idea is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. That's my opinion. Yes, expressed very strongly.

If you disagree, I would appreciate it if you would address it in other than a purely rhetorical means.

Or, let me put it in other terms. I am gob smacked by many of the posts here about Warren's promotion to Senate leadership.

Possibly you should be, too.

Or maybe you'd prefer to argue about naughty words.

Sorry. Passions often are high here. Naughty words are fairly common. Try the Rude Pundit posts here on DU some day. My post was tame in comparison.

My best regards.

Maineman

(854 posts)
48. How many people are turned off -- avoid engaging here -- because they are offended by extremely
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:49 PM
Nov 2014

crude language? --which is actually fairly rare. You might try using a thesaurus to help you select strong meaningful words to support your ideas and passions rather than simplistic vulgarity. I am here for the ideas and passions also, but I tend not to hang out with persons whose communication style is embarrassing and suggests some sort of ... (undesirable individual).

longship

(40,416 posts)
49. I appreciate your opinion.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:58 PM
Nov 2014

I am usually fairly spare with spicy language and would normally agree with your opinion.

But there is a time to spice things up a bit. The decision of when that is is in the mind of the one making the post. If you are personally offended, I don't know what to say beyond, "I am sorry that colorful language upsets you so much. I hope that you don't sour on DU as there is quite a bit of such color here."

I don't recommend that you click through to a Rude Pundit post.

Peace. My friend.

Response to longship (Reply #33)

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
41. Her first test will be with how she liaisons with the left on Keystone vote.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:20 PM
Nov 2014

Will she work to justify bullshit?

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
47. Democrats Just Now Creating their First Liberal Liason position.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:17 PM
Nov 2014

So, does that mean that a Liberal voice has heretofore been excluded from Democratic Leadership participation? Certainly appears to be the case.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
54. That reminds me of an old AT&T jingle:
Fri Nov 14, 2014, 03:21 AM
Nov 2014

"Reach out, reach out and touch someone
Reach out, reach out and just say 'Hi'..."

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
53. What she needs to do
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 11:51 PM
Nov 2014

Is to identify 4 or 5 different things and then get everybody to talk about them.

Look at the GOP, they have coordinated messaging. It works.
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