Banker found dead with throat slit in apparent suicide: cops

[WhiteTara]

Source: NY Post

A prominent banker was found dead in the tub of his posh downtown apartment with his throat slashed — in what detectives suspect is a suicide, police sources said on Wednesday.

Shawn D. Miller, 42, who traveled the world for Citigroup as one of its top environmental policy experts, sliced his neck and wrists with a knife inside his home at 120 Greenwich St, the sources said.

His body was found by a doorman Tuesday, after his boyfriend called building operators and said he was worried for the banker’s safety.

Miller was last seen on surveillance video getting off an elevator at about 6 p.m. Monday with a mysterious man who was not his beau. The unidentified male was later spotted on camera living alone.

Investigators, however, believe the death is a suicide because of the nature of the wounds and the fact a knife was found under his body, sources said.

Read more: http://nypost.com/2014/11/19/man-found-dead-with-his-throat-slashed-in-apartment/

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This is almost as weird as 2 shots to the back of the head suicide.

[Botany]

1. kind of a pattern

http://www.hangthebankers.com/48-suspicious-banking-deaths/

[WhiteTara]

9. Thanks. That's eye opening.

48 deaths! Yikes!

[jwirr]

13. Yes, and now a whistle blower in the last couple of weeks. More to come.

[WhiteTara]

44. Of course.

I guess the "suicides" are right on time.

[jwirr]

45. They have been happening for a long time now. We have all wondered why these young people are

committing suicide. And we all know that there is corruption in our banking system. I for one do not believe that they are separate issues.

[WhiteTara]

46. greed and power are formidable and

it's easy to get in over your head when faced with pure evil.

[jwirr]

47. I also think they are feeling a bit guilty and this is their way out.

[WhiteTara]

53. Do sociopaths feel guilt?

Yes, I think that level of bankers is sociopathic.

[dixiegrrrrl]

60. "and now a whistle blower in the last couple of weeks"

Can you share a bit more about that?
I am not clear if you are saying a whistleblower died in the last couple weeks
or
a whistleblower came forward in the last couple weeks.
Who is it?

[jwirr]

62. No, last week the news was full of a witness to the banks actions came out and started talking.

[dixiegrrrrl]

64. ahhh..yes....the one Taibbi wrote about.

The shameful thing is she was trying to be heard for years, and the In-Justice dept. would not give her the time of day.
Which is pretty telling.
Franky, I am surprised but happy she is still alive.

[jwirr]

65. That is the lady. And I also am surprised she is alive.

[wordpix]

68. another article about Miller

http://www.hangthebankers.com/citigroup-managing-director-found-dead-another-banker-suicide/

Did not know this, thanks

[glinda]

2. Is it just me or does this seems odd.

[WhiteTara]

7. Indeed, it seems odd.

Another response notes 48 banker deaths in the last couple of years. When I was searching to see if this had been posted, I found one that was very similar last January/February. These are coming very fast.

[dixiegrrrrl]

61. Seems odd.

Odd to rule it a suicide, in part because a knife was found under the body.
Apparently the police do not read murder mysteries, or watch tv at all.

Then there is this, from another news report:

Miller may have committed suicide after a bout of alcohol and drug use with a stranger he met through the classified-advertising website Backpage.com, the Daily News reported, citing the people. Police found evidence of the use of alcohol and drugs, including crystal methamphetamine, the newspaper said.

A man seen on surveillance video arguing with Miller in the building’s elevator left the banker’s apartment late on Nov. 16 or early the next day, and Miller had told the doorman not to let him back in, the Daily News said, citing the unidentified people.

There was no evidence the man returned and there was no sign of a struggle in the apartment, the Daily News said.
Miller had also called 911 twice in the last two days complaining about someone outside his building stalking him, the newspaper said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-19/citigroup-s-risk-management-executive-shawn-miller-found-dead.html

Plus, there have been divergent news reports about if a knife was found.

I want to know what "knife found under the body" means.
Seems unlikely you would put a knife under your body after cutting wrists and throat.

and I would like to know how serious those cuts were.
wonder if a follow up to the autopsy will be reported.

[cstanleytech]

3. The overall number of banker suicides though isnt really to shocking imo

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-suicidal-occupations-2011-10?op=1

[flying_wahini]

4. nothing to see here,...... just keep moving along.

I don't think I have heard of someone slashing their own throat in a suicide before now.......




I smell a RAT.

[Warpy]

6. I was a nurse, so I have

However the ones I saw usually cut both wrists and throats the wrong way for an efficient suicide, which is why I got them.

[WhiteTara]

8. Usually people go for the wrists first

so it seems odd to me. The "mysterious man" in the elevator would be someone interesting to talk to, I would think.

[840high]

10. aGREE.

[glinda]

29. Seems apparent he most likely could have done it. Who slits their

throat and then has the strength to put the knife behind themselves. Seriously.

[Warpy]

37. It could easily drop there.

People often seize when they bleed out.

[glinda]

48. That's true plus I don't know the body position also.

[LisaL]

5. Yep. Sounds about as convincing as a 2 shots in the back of the head suicide.

[TeeYiYi]

11. Or the kid in the back of a cop car...

...in Louisiana with his hands handcuffed behind his back, who managed to shoot himself in the chest with a non-existent gun because he decided to commit suicide rather than go to jail.



You can read about it here.

TYY

[glinda]

30. OMG

[Odin2005]

12. Slit throat, suicide, RIIIIIIIGHT!!!

[ProfessorGAC]

57. Seems An Odd Choice, Indeed

It would be more believable that he would have done Japanese ritual suicide like the 47 ronin. At least there is some tradition that would support someone doing that to themselves.

Slitting one's own throat is pretty unusual, i would think. The wrists certainly not, but the throat?

[KoKo]

14. Seems alot of Suicidal Bankers..but no Banking Heads have gone to Jail...

Is this some kind of "Morality Play?" The underlings who have problems with what they were part of causing because of having a conscience...while their Bosses Got Off with No Jail Time and their Corporation Paid "Fines?"

A simple case of "They Knew Too Much" or "They Couldn't Live with What They Did?"



So many Banker's Deaths that were under...let's just say..."interesting circumstances."

Oh well.......

[billhicks76]

40. Banned

Hey no conspiracy theories on this site. We are above that. Especially about 911. Bush poodles may get nervous. Coincidence Theorists and Star Bellied Sneeches only please.

[Diclotican]

15. WhiteTara

WhiteTara

Someone know something - and is afraid it wil be known for the larger publicum...

Diclotican

[WhiteTara]

28. I think you might be right.

Lots of people are dead to keep that secret.

[glinda]

31. Exactly.

[markpkessinger]

16. Reminds me of a case from my hometown in PA a few years back . . .

. . . where the wife of a prominent lawyer was found the same way: throat and both wrists slit, and with the knives neatly arranged on a tray next to the bed. When the husband, who was at his office 10 miles away when she was discovered, was notified of the news, his response was, "Who's going to clean up the mess?" And her death, too, was ruled a suicide.

The thing is, it takes a lot of force to slit one's own throat. If a person slits his wrists first, it seems unlikely he would have the strength to slit his own throat. And if he slits his throat first, he will likely bleed out and lose consciousness very quickly, so one wonders if he would have time to slit his wrists, too.

[ReRe]

27. Seriously...

... if you slit your own throat, why slit your wrists? Or vice versa? Also, drug screen would be interesting to look at.

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

17. Hired killer, or serial killer / stalker?

seams like there have been a lot of these.

[RufusTFirefly]

18. I'm sure it's nothing. Just an accident.

He was probably cleaning his gun when his knife went off.

[glinda]

32. good one

[Petrushka]

41. Oh Rufus, Rufus . . .

[bbernardini]

19. Vince Welnick, former keyboardist for the Tubes and the Grateful Dead, committed suicide this way.

While it might be an unusual method of suicide, it is certainly within the realm of possibility.

[billhicks76]

39. Yes...I Knew Vince

But his wife saw it happen and no mysterious man.

[grahamhgreen]

20. Another one??? Makes you wonder what's about to happen.... or happened.

[octoberlib]

21. More info.

Detectives now suspect Miller killed himself after going on a booze- and drug-fueled bender since at least Monday with a stranger he hooked up with through the classified advertising website Backpage.com, the sources said.Police found evidence of alcohol and drug use in the apartment, including what appeared to be crystal meth, sources said.

The man who Miller was arguing with in the elevator apparently left the banker’s apartment late Sunday or early Monday, sources. Miller called down to the lobby and asked the doorman not to allow the man back into the building, according to sources.

Detectives found no evidence the man returned to the building and there was no sign of a break-in or struggle in Miller’s apartment, sources said.

Shawn Miller’s body was found Tuesday afternoon in the bathtub of his Greenwich St. apartment in Lower Manhattan.
Records showed that at least two 911 calls were made from Miller’s apartment since Monday. The caller, believed to be Miller, complained about someone outside his building stalking him, sources said.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/man-42-found-dead-bathtub-downtown-manhattan-article-1.2015955

[cstanleytech]

25. Now that is going to kill alot of the speculation on the thread.

Not all of it of course as there will always be some crackpot conspiracy theories floating around of course but its definitely not going to make it as easy for them now.

[daleo]

26. Actually, the part about calling 911 about a stalker lends credence to a murder theory

If one was suicidal, it hardly seems worth worrying about a stalker.

[glinda]

33. Easy situation actually...a "plant" and drugs and getting the victim basically

"out of it" and then waiting for the kill. Pice of cake.
But if they are killing themselves for real it still points somewhat towards "guilty conscience".

[cstanleytech]

36. I am refering to the guy from the elevator people were speculating about earlier but then

this was posted

"The man who Miller was arguing with in the elevator apparently left the banker’s apartment late Sunday or early Monday, sources. Miller called down to the lobby and asked the doorman not to allow the man back into the building, according to sources. "
Which means Miller was still alive thus the guy from the elevator couldnt have killed him before he left.

As for your belief it was a murder ...................*shrug*

[Warpy]

38. Not really. Talk to enough incompetent suicides who made it

and you realize how much whim has to do with it most of the time, especially when it is during a time of huge stress and the person is drunk and drugged, especially drunk.

Few suicides are that well planned out unless they're "rational" suicides by sober people who want physical or psychic pain to end and want to make sure they do it right.

[daleo]

56. I have known a few suicides and a few attempted suicides

One was a late stage cancer patient, who OD'ed on his prescription meds. That one seemed very rationally planned.

Another was a gun suicide, a method which is generally lethal, but he had been affected by starting SSRIs shortly before his death. There is a lot of debate about SSRIs and suicide, so it is hard to say much about state of mind, definitively.

Another was carbon monoxide, well planned, not sure of state of mind in terms of medication. Plus, another OD, a young diabetic who took an overdose of insulin, I believe.

Many of the unsuccessful attempts did feature booze and pills. Whether those were poor planning or ambivalence about the action, I can't say. It is so complicated subject.

[Warpy]

58. Jumpers who are talked down often say it was unplanned

So do drunks who pick up a gun and miss, blowing off part of their faces. Pills are often unplanned, one reason they don't succeed.

SSRIs don't cause suicides. Depression does. They used to hospitalize depressed people who started on medication because there is a period when there is increased physical energy but the person still feels profoundly depressed. That's when suicides happen. Now nobody gives a shit, not everyone will take advantage of that increased energy to do what they've wanted to do for months, suicides are weak, blah blah blah. It doesn't matter which class of antidepressant the person starts, they all have the potential because of the way they kick in, physically before mentally.

[wordpix]

69. great to know your $ invested in social/environmental funds is managed by

those going on a drug and alcohol-fueled bender.

[roamer65]

22. 21214.

[DeSwiss]

23. K&R

[nikto]

24. "Banker Ebola" strikes again

What else could it be?

[blkmusclmachine]

34. "Suicide." More like HOMICIDE. I wonder what he knew, that he had to be silenced???

[intheflow]

35. While it sounds hinky, consider the source.

This is the NY Post, not the most reliable/least speculative of NY newspapers. I'll be interested to see if anyone else reports similar details not sourced back to this.

[tk2kewl]

42. I would think one would have to be seriously mentally ill

To slit ones own throat.

[MADem]

51. Or have done a lot of crystal meth...which might be the situation (see upthread). nt

[TorchTheWitch]

71. how does one commit suicide by any method without being seriously mentally ill?

It's pretty much the most mentally ill one can get.

People slit their wrists all the time, why not their throat? Nobody is claiming that he nearly decapitated himself. The whole point is to just open a vein and bleed out. Perhaps he did both wrists and his throat to bleed out faster and die quicker.

[tk2kewl]

72. while I kind of agree...

Sliting ones own throat just seems so much more horrific than almost any other method of suicide I can imagine.

[TorchTheWitch]

73. I think you imagine "slitting" as slicing the throat open

as if it was done by someone else. But one doesn't think of slitting one's wrists as hacking into the flesh as if to remove the hand. That's why I'm thinking in personally slitting one's own throat would be the same as slitting their wrists... just opening a vein to bleed out, not cutting deep into the flesh. I also don't think that it was the throat so much as more to the side of the neck where major veins are.

If that was the way of it, and I'm guessing it was, then I can think of a whole lot of other horrific methods particularly those that take a lot of time while conscious like jumping, drowning or slow hanging that chokes one to death rather than a quick neck snap. Slitting one's throat in the same manner as slitting one's wrists seems pretty benign to me. While bloody, one would lose consciousness pretty quickly and wouldn't be aware for the rest. Drowning in particular seems one of the worst. I can't even imagine how terrible to be holding one's breath for long minutes knowing that any second they'd give out and have to suck in water. Choking to death can take a very long time and seems another conscious horror of awareness. Jumping if done from very high can take long seconds before the splat, and if not high enough may not kill instantly at all.

I watched rather recently a documentary about the people that jumped or fell from the twin towers on 9/11. In all the years since it happened I couldn't stomach watching things like that from that day, so this was the first for me. It horrified me when they said it took something like 10 or more seconds of free fall before hitting the ground and that in doing the autopsies discovered that all of them were conscious during the fall and died when they hit. I can't even fathom how unbearably long that 10 seconds was and to be aware of it all the way through. Ugh. And what would they also be physically feeling while free falling so fast? What would that do to one's body?

Now I wish I never watched the documentary at all though all these years I'd had morbid curiosity and almost a wretched feeling of needing to know the worst from that day. I still wish they hadn't rebuilt. I don't know how anyone will ever be able to look at new towers in that place and not be vividly reminded of what happened with the old ones and how many people suffered so horribly. I know I can't stand to look at the one they just finished.

No, to me the most horrible methods are the ones that take what can be a terrible amount of time where they're conscious and aware especially if also feeling pain during that time. Though other ways are certainly more bloody and gross, at least they're instant or they go unconscious before death quickly.

I just realized what an odd and depressing subject this is. Can't say I've ever actually thought about any of it before. Don't think I want to again either. I feel like I now need a rose to smell or a basket of puppies.

[sendero]

43. Almost as good..

.. as the nail gun 'suicide'.

Like the perp could not have placed the knife under the dying man's body.

What a pant load of BS.

[tabasco]

49. I've never heard of someone committing suicide this way

Very strange. But I don't get out much.

[MADem]

50. I am no forensic analyst, but it's entirely possible to open one's veins and put the knife down

before bleeding out.

Very ancient practice to open the veins in a warm bath. What a mess, though. Could have been worse, but still...

If the "mysterious man" wasn't an assassin and simply a friend or a paramour, he may have had nothing to do with the death. I would hope that the forensic people would estimate time of death and work back to figure out if the guy could have done it.

[Man from Pickens]

52. What do you call a Wall Street banker with a slit throat?

a good start

[mahina]

54. Horrible post

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

55. Here is another link reporting on this incident:

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/11/a-citigroup-banker-dies-along-with-responsible-press-reporting/

[wordpix]

70. patenting death derivatives "enable pension plans to hedge the risk of payments to retirees"

gawd, what'll these guys think up next?

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/02/as-bank-deaths-continue-to-shock-documents-reveal-jpmorgan-has-been-patenting-death-derivatives/

According to information available at the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, JPMorgan created the LifeMetrics Index in March 2007 as an “international index designed to benchmark and trade longevity risk.” The index was said to enable pension plans to hedge the risk of payments to retirees and incorporated “historical and current statistics on mortality rates and life expectancy, across genders, ages, and nationalities.” From 2010 through 2013, JPMorgan has received patent approval on four longevity related patents.

Reuters reported on August 26, 2013 that the long-term longevity bets taken on by the big banks have now started to cause pain as international capital rules known as Basel III require more capital to be set aside for longer-dated positions. The article noted that “JPMorgan likely has the biggest holdings of long-dated swaps because it is the biggest swaps trader on Wall Street, responsible for about 30 percent of the market by some measures, traders at rival firms said.”

One extremely long longevity bet taken on by JPMorgan was reported by Insurance Risk on October 1, 2008. According to the publication, JPMorgan entered into a 40-year £500 million notional longevity swap with Canada Life whereby Canada Life would make a fixed annual payment in return for a floating liability-matching payment that would increase if the annuitants lived longer than expected. JPMorgan was believed to have passed on some of the risk to hedge fund investors but retained the counterparty risk. Because many of these deals are private, the full extent of JPMorgan’s exposure in this area is not known.

Wall Street veterans have also commented on the fact that JPMorgan may actually stand to profit from the early deaths of the two young men in their 30s.

[librechik]

59. …another banking related death!

beware, tools of the rich. They don't like what you know. And they're watching you !

[Delphinus]

63. Your closing sentence

says it all to me ... There are ways to die - slitting one's own throat doesn't seem likely to me. Who was the British man who was "suicided" - Dr. David Kelly?

[WhiteTara]

66. Yes, there were a rash of scientists

who all suicided themselves. During the Enron Affair, there were a bunch of accountants who suddenly killed themselves with 2 shots to the back of the head type of deaths. Always during some world crisis, we have this rash of strange suicides. 48 bankers in 3 or 4 years seems odd to me.

[Live and Learn]

67. +1 nt