Israel Revokes Residency Of Jerusalem Attacker's Widow

[Purveyor]

Source: BBC



Israel has revoked the residency rights of the widow of one of the two Palestinian men who killed five people at a synagogue in Jerusalem last week.

Interior Minister Gilad Erdan said those involved in such an attack had to realise that there were likely to be repercussions for their families.

A human rights group condemned the move, saying Mr Erdan was inflicting a form of collective punishment.

The attack came at a time of rising political tensions in Jerusalem.

'Abuse of authority'

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30208693

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8 Harsh Ways To Deal With Arab Violence, As Proposed By Israel’S Ruling Party

JERUSALEM — At the behest of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his political allies in the Israeli parliament are preparing a sweeping legislative package designed to deter terror attacks.

The measures are aimed both at preventing assaults against Israeli citizens, like the one that took place last week in a Jerusalem synagogue, leaving five people dead, and at allaying the feelings of insecurity felt by Israelis over the past few months.

The action plan includes new, harsh measures that its sponsors say will get at the root of assaults by Palestinians. The law would allow Arab Israelis found guilty of throwing Molotov cocktails and even firecrackers to be banished to Gaza; would deny families of assailants the right to bury their dead; and would expose anyone who waved a Palestinian flag at a demonstration to loss of their health and social security benefits.

The package was drawn up by Yariv Levin, chairman of the Likud Party faction in the Knesset. Netanyahu is the leader of Likud.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/11/26/8-harsh-ways-to-deal-with-arab-violence-as-proposed-by-israels-ruling-party/

[McCamy Taylor]

1. And we give financial support to the people who promote these ideas?

I want a tax refund.

[oberliner]

5. Most of those killed by the Palestinians in this terror attack were American citizens

For what that is worth.

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. So?

I would be deeply troubled if the US government were deporting the lawful resident family members of people who committed criminal acts, and I'd also be deeply troubled if the US government had a policy of stripping people who expressed politically unpopular opinions of social security. It doesn't matter if the people killed in this terror attack were Israel, American, or Martian.

[Snow Leopard]

36. We give funding to the Palestinians who do these terror attacks too

Did that miss your radar?

[Iamthetruth]

43. So you support the terrorist

Who killed five innocent people. No way the wife did not know his plans.

[christx30]

47. Agreed:

If the wife did know, and she did not report them to authorities, that's called accessory before the fact. It is a crime in most countries. She should be arrested, tried, and if found guilty, should go to jail.

[stone space]

77. Arrested for what? On what evidence?

Arrested simply for who she was married to?

Is this what you are advocating here?

Arresting people for who they marry?

Hell, somebody married Darrell Wilson after the fact. We don't even arrest her.

[christx30]

79. If she knew they were planning

to murder people, and she did nothing, she is culpable. She was part of the plan. An accessory before the fact. It's not about who she was married to. It's about her knowing about a horrific crime planned, and she didn't tell anyone. They could have stopped it before it happened.
If my best friend was going to commit a crime and I found out about it ahead of time, I'd report him. I'm sure his victim and his family would appreciate it.
As it stands now with the murderer dead, no one will be punished.

[stone space]

80. That's a big if.

All we really know about her is who she was married to.

[christx30]

85. That's why an investigation happens.

See what she knew, when she knew it. Find out if she found out about her husband's crime from the people that came to the door, or if he told her beforehand what he was going to do. If she didn't know, great. She's fine. If she did know, and she could have done something to prevent people from getting killed, she gets no sympathy.

If Marina Oswald knew in October that Lee was planning to shoot JFK, and failed to call someone and report it, she would be just as guilty as her husband.

[MFM008]

82. yeah because

Women are taught to be assertive, aggressive, and to stand up to men in those cultures.

[Mosby]

62. The killers families are going to recieve up to $40K per year from the PA

for their heroic efforts at killing Jews.

4.5 million per month, and the money came from you.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/cash-strapped-pa-spends-4-5-million-per-month-compensating-security-detainees/

[dembotoz]

2. nutty yahoo

[catnhatnh]

3. REPRISAL N/T

[cosmicone]

4. Why is this even news?

We deport foreigners who commit or aid crimes in our country all the time.

[Comrade Grumpy]

10. You're calling a Palestinian in East Jerusalem a foreigner?!

That's the capital of PALESTINE.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

14. The stoopid runs deep in some

They are usually the ones who claim that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic, and that Israel can do no wrong, and, they are our only ally in the region.

[Mosby]

61. Jerusalem is supposed to be an international city

not part of Palestine or Israel.

Did you really not know that?

Funny how you automatically assumed it should be Arab.


The resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

[ChairmanAgnostic]

67. Rather selective about your UN resolutions, aren't you?

[Spider Jerusalem]

13. Not the legally-resident family members of foreign nationals convicted of crimes, though.

[Ash_F]

18. The united states does NOTHING like this

Do you know anything?

[cosmicone]

19. Read this

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/grounds-deportability-when-legal-us-residents-can-be-removed.html

[Ash_F]

22. You don't know what you are talking about. /nt

[cosmicone]

29. ummm .. I posted the actual law regarding how permanent residents can be deported

from the US.

[Ash_F]

30. The other poster explained your ignorant comment in detail

That should have been enough for you.

[cosmicone]

38. I don't see any other poster citing law where I was wrong

but .... I'm glad you're happy in the Hamas caucus of DU where facts are irrelevant.

[Ash_F]

48. Then you must have difficulty reading. /nt

[cosmicone]

57. I cited the law. No poster has a right to change it period. n/t

[Ash_F]

64. Does that say ANYTHING about perpetrators' families?

Do you really need other DUers to hold your hand through reading posts like a grade schooler?

[cosmicone]

65. The wife is an accessory before the fact.

She knew about the husband's plan but didn't inform the authorities.

[Ash_F]

66. That is neither made distinct in the law, nor is there evidence of such in this particular case.

Do you have another article that suggests otherwise, or are you talking out of your tailpipe?

[cosmicone]

70. Accessory before or after the fact

in most states, carries the same punishment as the person who carried out the actual criminal act.

For example, the driver of a getaway car in an armed robbery is charged with armed robbery.

[Ash_F]

73. There is NOTHING in the article that indicates she was an accesory

You are not fooling anyone.

[Scootaloo]

51. You're talking to someone who celebrates Fateh al-Sissi slaughtering thousands of egyptians

And insists that violence is necessary to keep Muslims "in check."

Don't waste your time trying to talk to cosmicone about it, that guy's worse than some of the floaters we get in I/P linking to sites that host john Bolton diatribes.

[cosmicone]

58. You put words in people's mouths as you see fit.

Last edited Fri Nov 28, 2014, 08:17 PM - Edit history (1)

I am not and never have been Islamophobic. I am against terrorism and violence espoused and practiced by some Muslims and their sympathizers.

Fattah al Sisi restored law and order to Egypt after collective mayhem by violent extremists who killed a lot of minorities especially Coptic Christians. If he killed the perpetrators and their sympathizers in the process, that was a difficult yet right decision.

On Edit -- I don't mean kill the perpetrators willy-nilly but while preventing restoration or order and attacking government forces entrusted with maintaining such law and order.

There is no evidence that Fattah al Sisi randomly killed peaceful protestors or otherwise non-violent people.

[cali]

59. speechless. well almost. what a load of bullshit.

[Scootaloo]

63. I don't need to, when they so clearly speak for themselves.

Thanks for supporting my statement.

[stone space]

76. Would you support this being done in the USA? (nt)

[L0oniX]

6. Old tactic used by the mob. Do what we want ...we know where your family is.

[oberliner]

7. Except in this case what they want is for Palestinians not to slaughter people praying in synagogue

Seems like a pretty reasonable request.

[L0oniX]

15. Anything to get Palestinians out is the obvious agenda.

[Ash_F]

17. I am disappointed to see you in support of this blatantly racist policy

I thought better of you.

[cosmicone]

20. How is it racist?

Jews and Palestinians belong to the same race.

[Ash_F]

24. How naive /nt

[oberliner]

44. Where do you see any such support expressed?

None was offered.

The post is in reference to the comparison to the mob, specifically "Do what we want ...we know where your family is".

In the mob's case the "do what we want" is usually something like "give us money' not "avoid slaughtering Jews at prayer" - the latter of which seems a reasonable thing to ask of anyone.

[Ash_F]

50. It is not reasonable to ask of people who have not committed any such crimes. /nt

[christx30]

60. Those Palestanians could just refrain from

murdering people. That would stop policies like this from being enacted.

And murdering people going to church because they are not part of your group seems pretty racist to me.

[MFM008]

83. and Israel

Could start doing some of the things they said they would do to end this most recent war.

[Scootaloo]

52. So does a criminal trial

Instead we have an occupying power revoking the residency of a person being occupied, in the occupied territory, on basis of relation. No investigation. No indictment. No trial. Just "you're married, out you go."

And funny how you didn't seem to support these guilt-by-association, collective punishment measures over in the I/P forum oberliner. What brings about your sudden support for bronze age barbarity?

[oberliner]

89. No support expressed or implied

Only a claim that the comparison to the mob is invalid.

[Scootaloo]

91. Nor denied.

Indifference in the face of injustice is support for that injustice though, so...

[Quantess]

8. Seems like a smart move.

I don't see why people are complaining.

[Comrade Grumpy]

11. Collective punishment is "a smart move"? It's also a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

I can't believe some of the war crime-supporting crap I hear on this board.

[Iamthetruth]

45. Comrad

I've never seen you post criticizing the murder of innocent Israelis, gee I wonder why.

[Trillo]

86. The lady shouldn't have been deported, but as for the U.S.,

it was pretty common to use collective punishment in schools when I went in the 60s and 70s. Thus, I'd fully expect U.S. citizens to think of collective punishment as rather ordinary.

[Ash_F]

16. "Smart"?

Where do they plan to send the Jewish Israeli families when a member commits a crime?

Disgusting.

[cosmicone]

21. Jewish-Israeli families don't drive cars through crowds

or open fire at people praying in a mosque.

[Ash_F]

23. I you are wrong both points.

And also racist.

[Quantess]

25. What race would that be?

[Ash_F]

26. Also naive

Race is a social construct. And racism exists in Israel as well as these boards.

[Quantess]

27. So you contend that muslim is a race.

If I convert to islam, that means I would also be switching my "race". Uncanny!

[cosmicone]

28. ROFL

[Ash_F]

32. So you contend that racism is not real?

Good to know

[Quantess]

34. I'll help you out:

The word you are looking for is bigot.

Have a nice day!

[Ash_F]

49. Thanks?

You can bet racism is real there as the right wing Jewish section of the population is not too keen on conversion. Read up on what they have done to Ethiopian Jewish Israelis

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/an-inconveivable-crime.premium-1.484110

If you can't get past the pay-wall
http://www.eutopic.lautre.net/coordination/spip.php?article9885#.VHgTd5zF9yg

Semantics distract from the real issues.

This is yet another sick policy, as above.

[Quantess]

55. What hyperbole.

When I say that muslim is not a race, I get the reply you don't think racism exists!

Nice debate tactics, there, Strawman.

[Ash_F]

56. If it makes you happy I will concede that this policy is hateful, bigoted and counterproductive. /nt

[Scootaloo]

53. Well, the majority of Muslims are nonwhite

However, in this case, you are being called racist over your positions on Arabs, or Palestinians - and yes, "racism" covers that ground. Unless you want to argue that racism doesn't exist - or, more likely, you want to argue that it only applies when targeted at some people and not other - to be fair that's how the Admin of DU work it.

[Quantess]

54. The Admins of DU consider muslim a race?

Is that your assertion? Prove it!

[Comrade Grumpy]

31. No, they use high-tech weaponry to kill Palestinians by the thousands.

[cosmicone]

39. No they don't.

The weaponry is used only when Hamas rockets indiscriminately target Israeli civilian population.

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

68. An Israeli settler killed 30 while praying at a mosque

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/25/newsid_4167000/4167929.stm

and I don't recall if his house was blown up or his family exiled

[cosmicone]

69. It was a reprehensible act and hope he was punished severely. n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

74. I see you've never heard of Baruch Goldstein (n/t)

[MFM008]

84. yeah

I've see pictures of settlers plowing through Palestinian youths and hitting and killing donkeys and their riders, so yeah they do.

[Comrade Grumpy]

33. You are really outing yourself as an authoritarian today.

Fine with collective punishment.

Upset with Ferguson demonstrators.

I know a board where you'd make a better fit.

[Quantess]

35. Oh really, now.

And I suppose you're just the perfect liberal role model in every single category that can be imagined, huh!

I suppose you got awarded "More Liberal than You in Every Category" prize.

[Quantess]

37. Another thing:

Just because I disapprove of looting, burning, vandalism, violence and the blocking of major roadways 3 days after the verdict does not mean that I am "upset with Ferguson protesters", but if that is what it means to you, then you have a different idea of what constitutes peaceful protesting.

[GGJohn]

40. Meh, you're not walking in lockstep with the clique, dontcha know.

[Quantess]

41. "I know a board where you'd make a better fit!"

That is an implied authoritarian threat if I ever heard one! you better not disagree with ANY of the prevailing DU attitudes and opinions!

I look forward to finding Comrade Grumpy to the right of me on whatever given topic in the future, because then I will rub his face in it! But chances are greater that I will have better things to do or will have forgotten this silly nonsense.

[Rhinodawg]

42. Dont take it personal.

He says those things to me almost daily.

Grumpy is really a good guy.

[Quantess]

46. Oh, "a really good guy" and "don't take it personally"?

Sounds like we have some talking to do. Comrade Grumpy and I need to sit down and chat.

[stone space]

78. Punishing women for who they marry is a smart move? (nt)

[Comrade Grumpy]

9. The whippings will continue until morale improves.

[treestar]

71. Thats plain evil unless they have proof she had something to do with it

Punishing people for the acts of others is the very essence of injustice. No better than North Korea, where they also do such things.

[oberliner]

72. Yeah, gee, it's just like North Korea!

What a truly uninformed statement.

[treestar]

81. they punish family; putting them in camps for what their relative did

read up on North Korea.

[oberliner]

88. That is true

If the Israeli government behaved in any way similar to North Korea, it would be a very very different place.

[treestar]

90. There is some similarity

Punishing someone for what her husband did. That is the attitude that leads to the worst possible abuses. Because she's not in a camp or not being killed is good but it's still a result of the mentality of punishing people for the actions of another. And there is a dangerous attitude of punishing Palestinians for what other Palestinians have done. Collective punishment has already been mentioned as an issue there.

[Fred Drum]

75. compare and contrast

North Korea imposes its punishment thru 3 generations - so your grandchildren can be "sent away"

Israel only imposes its punishment on 2 generations (notice the child in the picture)

[seveneyes]

87. Besides, only a decent human would consider it a deterrent to killing innocents

The hoople headed waste of human flesh and blood that target and kill innocents would likely just add the human toll to their stockpile of sickness.