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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:16 AM Dec 2014

Oil Extends Losses; Brent Tumbles Below $70 a Barrel

Source: Dow Jones Business News

By Dow Jones Business News, December 05, 2014, 01:23:00 AM EDT

Crude-oil futures fell in Asian trade Friday, extending overnight losses after Saudi Arabia cut January prices for U.S. and Asian buyers.

On the New York Mercantile Exchange, light, sweet crude futures for delivery in January traded at $66.47 a barrel at 0558 GMT, down $0.34 in the Globex electronic session. January Brent crude on London's ICE Futures exchange fell $0.37 to $69.27 a barrel.

Brent crude, which settled at its lowest since May 25, 2010, in the previous trading session, has plunged by around 40% since June.

Saudi Arabian Oil Co., also known as Saudi Aramco, Thursday reduced its official selling prices for all oil grades bound for Asia in January by between $1.50 and $1.90 a barrel, compared with December. It also cut prices for all crude grades to the U.S. by between 10 cents and 90 cents a barrel.

Oil markets have recently been interpreting Saudi Arabia's monthly price adjustments as signs of the oil producer's intent to retain market share through a price war rather than adjusting export volumes.






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Oil Extends Losses; Brent Tumbles Below $70 a Barrel (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2014 OP
Tin foil hat on but I wonder if the oil speculators could be behind some of this as well? cstanleytech Dec 2014 #1
They're jumping ship. joshcryer Dec 2014 #2
its a play against us shale production, electric cars and solar. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #3
It could also... Delver Rootnose Dec 2014 #4
Yeah that too Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #5
definitely against shale BobbyBoring Dec 2014 #6
It can also be against Solar/Wind/Hybrids, etc. BlueEye Dec 2014 #12
Classic crash behavior. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #18
Real bad news... sendero Dec 2014 #7
Not just Russia FBaggins Dec 2014 #8
Thanks.... sendero Dec 2014 #9
Also, bad news for alternative energy efforts FLPanhandle Dec 2014 #10
Hence.. sendero Dec 2014 #11
Progressive ideologies and environmentalism are not always aligned I suppose. BlueEye Dec 2014 #13
Believe me... sendero Dec 2014 #14
I agree. BlueEye Dec 2014 #15
I never worry about courting endearment FLPanhandle Dec 2014 #16
It actually hurts us all, even economically. Short term relief at the cost newthinking Dec 2014 #17

cstanleytech

(26,230 posts)
1. Tin foil hat on but I wonder if the oil speculators could be behind some of this as well?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 03:49 AM
Dec 2014

I mean they could make a pretty penny by helping along a crash on the price and buying up futures cheap and then cashing in when the price goes back up.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
2. They're jumping ship.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:06 AM
Dec 2014

Which is helping to lower prices even more, but they're responding to the saturation in oil, not causing the price to drop. They really don't want to lose the massive profits they made when the bubble peaked in June.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
3. its a play against us shale production, electric cars and solar.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:25 AM
Dec 2014

A play by the saudis and those that direct them.

Delver Rootnose

(250 posts)
4. It could also...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:10 AM
Dec 2014

...be at the request of the U.S. to put preassure on Putin and the Russians. A two for. And we may be paying them to do it under the table

BlueEye

(449 posts)
12. It can also be against Solar/Wind/Hybrids, etc.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:49 AM
Dec 2014

At $65 a barrel, the average consumer might just buy that Escalade after all.

Notice the strong correlation between higher petroleum prices and lower carbon emissions.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
18. Classic crash behavior.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:22 PM
Dec 2014

Rich people sell high, leave everyone else in the lurch, and then buy up all the deflated assets.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
7. Real bad news...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:08 AM
Dec 2014

.... for Russia, real bad news for shale oil producers, good news for almost everyone else.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
8. Not just Russia
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:18 AM
Dec 2014

Iran, Venezuela, and at least a couple other OPEC states are really feeling the pain.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
9. Thanks....
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:24 AM
Dec 2014

.... yes that is true. Almost everyone who makes substantial income from oil production is taking a hit.

Some believe that the reason the Saudis are refusing to cut production is pressure from us to cause more pain for Russia. I've long since given up trying to determine the truth to these sorts of geopolitical speculations, but the Saudis have done plenty at our behest before (and us at their behest) so I wouldn't rule it out.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
10. Also, bad news for alternative energy efforts
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:03 AM
Dec 2014

It's hard for alternative energy to compete with cheap oil.

Eventually, we have to get off of fossil fuels and this just delays the inevitable while pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere.

Not sure if that is "good news for almost everyone else" in the long term.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
11. Hence..
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:05 AM
Dec 2014

.... the "almost".

Saying you want everyone to spend a greater portion of their limited income on fossil fuels is not going to endear you or your agenda to many.

BlueEye

(449 posts)
13. Progressive ideologies and environmentalism are not always aligned I suppose.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:56 AM
Dec 2014

Cheap fuel eases the burden for working people, but also disincentivizes alternative energy. Meanwhile the AFL-CIO supports building the Keystone XL. Quality union jobs vs. the possibility of poisoning a water supply. It can be hard to reconcile sometimes.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
14. Believe me...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:03 AM
Dec 2014

... I am a fan of alternative energies. My car gets 40 mpg. I have a small solar power system to power my garden shed lights and tools. My house is SUPER energy effecient.

That said, most people are really burdened by the high cost of gasoline. Their choices are to drive less or perhaps get a vehicle that uses less gas. And lots of people have done that, tiny cars are now common here in north Tx whereas they weren't 15 years ago.

Telling them that they need to pay more so that we can develop alternative energies seems like a pretty dumb position to take.

BlueEye

(449 posts)
15. I agree.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:22 AM
Dec 2014

European carbon tax schemes seem pretty regressive. We need to continue investing in green energy. Tax incentives also work pretty well.

I'm happy to hear you have an environmentally friendly lifestyle!

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
16. I never worry about courting endearment
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:41 AM
Dec 2014

I believe the long term consequences of cheap oil are worse than the short term benefits.

Eventually those prices are going to go back up again and we won't have the number of alternative energy sources when it does because the investment isn't economically viable against cheap oil.

In the long run everyone loses, but most people in this country don't think long term.



newthinking

(3,982 posts)
17. It actually hurts us all, even economically. Short term relief at the cost
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:18 PM
Dec 2014

of long term economic cost, even at a personal level.

I see nothing good about this. We don't even get the full economic benefit at the gas pump. Half of it gets stolen by the investor class.

Countries that have kept the price of gas higher over the long run (Europe) are in the advantage.

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