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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:17 AM Dec 2014

U.S. and Cuba seek to normalize relations

Source: CBC

American officials say the U.S. and Cuba will start talks to normalize full diplomatic relations as part of the most significant shift in U.S. policy toward the communist island in decades.

Officials say the U.S. is also looking to open an embassy in Havana in the coming months. The moves are part of an agreement between the U.S. and Cuba that also includes the release of American Alan Gross and three Cubans jailed in Florida for spying.

Republican Sen. Marco Rubio said the agreement includes normalizing banking and trade ties with Cuba.

U.S. President Barack Obama was due to make a statement at noon ET on Cuba, the White House said, and U.S. official said Obama would announce a shift in Cuba policy. Cuban President Raul Castro was also set to make a statement at that time. CBCNews.ca will carry Obama's remarks live.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-s-and-cuba-seek-to-normalize-relations-1.2876088

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U.S. and Cuba seek to normalize relations (Original Post) Bosonic Dec 2014 OP
Great news. nt hack89 Dec 2014 #1
Hooray! This is a B.F.D.!!!!! flamingdem Dec 2014 #2
Cuba. He's gonna do Cuba. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #3
I am surprised that Castro has lasted this long but I knew Obama would end up doing this underpants Dec 2014 #4
Um, the current president of Cuba is Raul Castro, Fidel's brother. Fidel KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #24
What I meant was that he is still alive underpants Dec 2014 #34
Me too. Normalization of relations with Cuba should have begun when the KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #35
GOOD!!!!! heaven05 Dec 2014 #5
Great news. former9thward Dec 2014 #6
I was wondering what it would be like to retire to Cuba, $ wise. bahrbearian Dec 2014 #8
Until things are normalized it is hard to tell. former9thward Dec 2014 #11
It's hard to say because right now it's very tough for Americans to live there flamingdem Dec 2014 #12
Way overdue, and a very good thing. Thank you President Obama and SOS Kerry. Scuba Dec 2014 #7
Well played, Mr. Obama Newsjock Dec 2014 #9
I'm headed there next month! bigworld Dec 2014 #10
Outstanding! (nt) Paladin Dec 2014 #13
That darned Obama, about time he did something progressive, am I right? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #14
Long past due. Hopefully that doesn't mean that our corporations move in to take over. They are jwirr Dec 2014 #15
Canada and Europe already have all the good business opportunities and the good will locked up. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #17
That's what is driving this, corporations cannot wait. Only some RW heads will explode, Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #28
The good news will be if I can make Havana Club mojitos Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #16
Ooooh Christmas in Cuba underpants Dec 2014 #36
I had a mojito made from Havana Club... Xolodno Dec 2014 #54
Fantastic news cosmicone Dec 2014 #18
Nice to see President Os 2009 Cuba statements turn into policy! Sunlei Dec 2014 #19
Rubio's and Cruz's heads explode! vlyons Dec 2014 #20
Can his pappy now fly planes for Cuba again? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #23
This is decades overdue project_bluebook Dec 2014 #21
This proves that Obama is a commie! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #22
Quick, someone build a Walmart in Havana! ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2014 #25
"In a deal negotiated during 18 months of secret talks pampango Dec 2014 #26
Sen Jeff Flake... ReRe Dec 2014 #27
This is History in the making.... BooScout Dec 2014 #29
About time, this embargo has gone too long! n/t Paper Roses Dec 2014 #30
Ditto Little Star Dec 2014 #44
US Global Aid Chief to Resign; Oversaw Secret Cuba Programs bemildred Dec 2014 #31
AP Interview: McConnell cool to Obama’s Cuba move bemildred Dec 2014 #32
I understand Senator Rubio's concerns Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #43
Crazy Awesome! kydo Dec 2014 #33
Cuba has some of the World's most beautiful beaches riverbendviewgal Dec 2014 #37
Yes! Good job Mr. President. oldandhappy Dec 2014 #38
All my life, I wondered why we had to be 'enemies' with Cuba? Because CASTRO! joanbarnes Dec 2014 #39
Rubio is already whining LibertyLover Dec 2014 #40
But, but the sanctions were gonna start working any day now! tclambert Dec 2014 #41
White House does not rule out Cuba visit by Obama (Reuters) inanna Dec 2014 #42
Statement by President of Cuba Raul Castro on US-Cuba Links bemildred Dec 2014 #45
Changes in coming weeks, months..... Little Star Dec 2014 #46
I'm glad to hear it. I disagree with a lot of what Obama does, but I give him his props here. yurbud Dec 2014 #47
He is very good at politics. bemildred Dec 2014 #48
it would be nice if he capitalized on that ability for the benefit of the rest of us. yurbud Dec 2014 #55
Charles Pierce explains: bemildred Dec 2014 #49
Bush signs order lifting sanctions on Libya jakeXT Dec 2014 #50
Getting a look at their cars will fascinate us Yavin4 Dec 2014 #51
Fidel is 88 and Raul is 83 KinMd Dec 2014 #52
Historic. gwheezie Dec 2014 #53

underpants

(182,778 posts)
4. I am surprised that Castro has lasted this long but I knew Obama would end up doing this
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:34 AM
Dec 2014

The time has come. Good for us.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
24. Um, the current president of Cuba is Raul Castro, Fidel's brother. Fidel
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:26 PM
Dec 2014

relinquished control a couple years ago.

underpants

(182,778 posts)
34. What I meant was that he is still alive
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:42 PM
Dec 2014

When Obama first got elected I thought the timing would be that he would be President when Castro died. I also assumed that though normalization had to happen at some point it wouldn't happen until Castro was gone. Between US hard liners and the lack of anyone having enough nerve to stand up to them I just couldn't see normalization happening. I am glad Obama is making this move before his term is over.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
35. Me too. Normalization of relations with Cuba should have begun when the
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:46 PM
Dec 2014

USSR dissolved, imo. But I'm really glad it is happening now.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
5. GOOD!!!!!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:34 AM
Dec 2014

Fuck the RW war mongering torturers and their 'fellow travelers'....their heads are going to explode..

former9thward

(31,986 posts)
11. Until things are normalized it is hard to tell.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:44 AM
Dec 2014

There are restrictions on what type of stores foreigners can go to and things like that. No restrictions on travel when I was there. I could go anyplace on the island I wanted. Generally most Central American nations have cheap living expenses.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
12. It's hard to say because right now it's very tough for Americans to live there
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:45 AM
Dec 2014

but in the future I imagine half of Miami will have retirements spots picked out.

Right now you'd have to leave every two months but that's only if you went illegally through a third country to begin with. Many fly to Cancun for the day to be able to re-enter and keep living there for another two months.

Rents to foreigners are about say $900 a month and food is not much cheaper than in the US unless you want to eat like a Cuban. Health care would be with foreigner clinics .. but you could fly to Miami. That will be the best change for any would be retireees.

It might be a great place to retire but remember that for now there is much poverty. Less crime though than other Caribbean islands and much more wonderful culture and a fascinating, friendly society.

Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
9. Well played, Mr. Obama
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:41 AM
Dec 2014

This is going to drive a wedge right down the middle of the GOP. Few things delight me more than the sight of wingnut heads exploding under the mistletoe on Christmas Eve.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
14. That darned Obama, about time he did something progressive, am I right?
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:57 AM
Dec 2014

Watching the right wing hair ablaze yet again warms my heart.

Mr. President, where do I sign up to get you nominated for a third term?

Has CNN switched from their marathon coverage of the no longer breaking news of the Bloody Siege of Syndey long enough to take notice and prepare their GOP sock puppets for some good old fashioned outrage and the usual lies?

By the way, it can not be a siege if the bad guy is the one in the building, unless you mean the cops were doing the bloody "siege", and unless you mean less than a day when you mean "siege".

Never let a good click bait term go to waste.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. Long past due. Hopefully that doesn't mean that our corporations move in to take over. They are
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:58 AM
Dec 2014

not doing so good here.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. Canada and Europe already have all the good business opportunities and the good will locked up.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:04 PM
Dec 2014

The main attraction for Cuba for international tourists was no American tourists...all good things must come to an end, folks, try to be nice to them, share a Bud in Havana.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
28. That's what is driving this, corporations cannot wait. Only some RW heads will explode,
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:34 PM
Dec 2014

the rest will be told by their Donors to quietly support it.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
16. The good news will be if I can make Havana Club mojitos
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:02 PM
Dec 2014

The better news will be when the Bacardis can return home.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
18. Fantastic news
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:11 PM
Dec 2014

Throw the Miami cubans under the bus ... Marco Rubio under the double wheel in the back ....

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
20. Rubio's and Cruz's heads explode!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:39 PM
Dec 2014
Well after 50+ years of a policy that accomplished nothing but suffering for Cubans, it's about time. Pope Francis helped broker this deal. I love this Pope. Just shows that peace is more powerful hate, vengence, and war.

So how long before Donald Trump opens a casino, ala The Godfather Part II?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
26. "In a deal negotiated during 18 months of secret talks
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:30 PM
Dec 2014

hosted largely by Canada and encouraged by Pope Francis, who hosted a final meeting at the Vatican, President Obama and President Raúl Castro of Cuba agreed in a telephone call to put aside decades of hostility to find a new relationship between the United States and the island nation just 90 miles off the American coast."

Mr. Obama spoke with Mr. Castro by telephone on Tuesday to finalize the agreement in a call that lasted more than 45 minutes, the first direct contact between the leaders of the two countries in more than 50 years, American officials said.

Officials said they would re-establish an embassy in Havana and carry out high-level exchanges and visits between the two governments within months. Mr. Obama will send an assistant secretary of state to Havana next month to lead an American delegation to the next round of talks on Cuban-American migration. The United States will also begin working with Cuba on issues like counternarcotics, environmental protection and human trafficking.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/americas/us-cuba-relations.html

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
27. Sen Jeff Flake...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:33 PM
Dec 2014

... just told Andrea Mitchell that we need "to stop letting Cuba dictate our policy." WTF does that mean? Did anyone know that Cuba has been dictating policy to the USA?

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
29. This is History in the making....
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:34 PM
Dec 2014

This is probably the biggest change in policy in my lifetime. Great news!

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
31. US Global Aid Chief to Resign; Oversaw Secret Cuba Programs
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:36 PM
Dec 2014

The head of the nation's global development agency said Wednesday he will step down from his post in February, following an announcement by the U.S. government that it would start talks toward restoring diplomatic relations with Cuba.

Rajiv Shah, the administrator for the U.S. Agency for International Development, gave no public reason for leaving the agency he's led since 2000. In a statement released Wednesday morning, he said he had "mixed emotions" but did not elaborate.

Shah's announcement also came hours before U.S. officials confirmed on Wednesday that USAID contractor Alan Gross was freed from a Cuban prison. He was arrested in December 2009 and later sentenced to 15 years after Cuban authorities said he tried to smuggle illegal technology into the country.

USAID, under Shah, drew intense criticism from some U.S. lawmakers and the Cuban government for its Cuba programs. An AP investigation this year revealed the agency ? with the help of another Washington-based contractor ? created a Twitter-like service, staged a health workshop to recruit activists and infiltrated the island's hip-hop community.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/us-international-aid-head-step-27658448

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
32. AP Interview: McConnell cool to Obama’s Cuba move
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:37 PM
Dec 2014

WASHINGTON — Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell is criticizing the Obama administration’s plans to normalize ties with Cuba.

McConnell says he defers to Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, a Cuban-American from Florida, on the issue because he says Rubio is an expert on U.S.-Cuban matters.

Rubio has said that the administration’s approach will help the Castro government while doing nothing to further human rights and democracy.

McConnell says he won’t differ with Rubio because he says Rubio is an expert on Cuban matters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/ap-interview-mcconnell-cool-to-obamas-cuba-move/2014/12/17/ff9a5e0e-860f-11e4-abcf-5a3d7b3b20b8_story.html

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
43. I understand Senator Rubio's concerns
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:45 PM
Dec 2014

However, I'd point out the following:

1) We've tried embargo and isolation for 50 years. It hasn't worked.
2) Time is working against the Castro brothers, not for them.
3) We're not in a position to lecture anyone on human rights (#Ferguson # ICan'tBreath #TortureReport)
4) It's a good move for American agriculture
5) We've fought a war and subsequently normalized relations with Vietnam in the in the period between the Castro revolution and today.
6) Cuba has its faults, but it's not Iran and it's not North Korea

If nothing else, the time has come to talk to Cuba and engage them.

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
37. Cuba has some of the World's most beautiful beaches
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:53 PM
Dec 2014

and it has beautiful people.

I fear that the corruption will come back. I can see the casino vultures coming.

joanbarnes

(1,722 posts)
39. All my life, I wondered why we had to be 'enemies' with Cuba? Because CASTRO!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:26 PM
Dec 2014

Maybe now we can import real cane sugar, stop force-feeding our kids corn syrup and achieve better health, and use corn for other purposes.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
40. Rubio is already whining
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:41 PM
Dec 2014

that this will make the country less safe because um, ah, terror. I imagine that Calgary Cruz will appear on Fox to denounce Obama's attempt to normalize relations too. Hey Teddy boy, maybe your dad can go back and visit some of his old compadres from the Revolution.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
41. But, but the sanctions were gonna start working any day now!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:09 PM
Dec 2014

It's only been 54 years. Ya gotta give 'em a chance. Surely Cuba would have given it all up soon, by next Tuesday afternoon at the latest. Round about 2, 2:30.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
42. White House does not rule out Cuba visit by Obama (Reuters)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:01 PM
Dec 2014

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama does not have concrete plans to visit Cuba after restoring diplomatic relations with Havana, but a White House spokesman said on Wednesday he would not rule out a presidential visit.

"If there is an opportunity for the president to visit, I'm sure he wouldn't turn it down," White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters.

Earnest acknowledged that a future U.S. president could reverse Obama's new policies on Cuba, but said the White House hoped that Congress would take steps to completely lift the U.S. embargo before Obama leaves office.

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-does-not-rule-cuba-visit-obama-193032918.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
45. Statement by President of Cuba Raul Castro on US-Cuba Links
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:38 PM
Dec 2014

Fellow countrymen,

Since my election as President of the State Council and Council of Ministers I have reiterated in many occasions our willingness to hold a respectful dialogue with the United States on the basis of sovereign equality, in order to deal reciprocally with a wide variety of topics without detriment to the national independence and self-determination of our people.

This stance was conveyed to the US Government both publicly and privately by Comrade Fidel on several occasions during our long standing struggle, stating the willingness to discuss and solve our differences without renouncing any of our principles.

The heroic Cuban people, in the wake of serious dangers, aggressions, adversities and sacrifices has proven to be faithful and will continue to be faithful to our ideals of independence and social justice. Strongly united throughout these 56 years of Revolution, we have kept our unswerving loyalty to those who died in defense of our principles since the beginning of our independence wars in 1868.

Today, despite the difficulties, we have embarked on the task of updating our economic model in order to build a prosperous and sustainable Socialism.

http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3377991&Itemid=1

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
46. Changes in coming weeks, months.....
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:44 PM
Dec 2014

The two countries are expected in the coming weeks to negotiate an agreement to lead both countries to opening embassies in each other's capitals.

Obama said business and travel ties will be launched, but that he will have to negotiate with the U.S. Congress over ending the country's economic blockade against Cuba.

Also, the U.S. Treasury said in the coming weeks that financial sanctions on Cuba will be amended. And the U.S. will unfreeze U.S. bank accounts of Cubans who no longer live in Cuba, the White House said.

Obama has also asked Secretary of State John Kerry to review Cuba's designation as a state sponsor of terrorism. "This review will be guided by the facts and the law," he said. "A nation that meets our conditions and renounces the use of terrorism should not face this sanction.''

Kerry said that he would travel to Cuba at some point in the future. "I look forward to being the first Secretary of State in 60 years to visit Cuba," Kerry said in a statement.

Assistant Secretary of State for the Western Hemisphere Roberta Jacobson will travel to Cuba in January to discuss the renewal of diplomatic relations, he added.

"As we did with Vietnam, changing our relationship with Cuba will require an
investment of time, energy and resources," Kerry said.

In the coming months the U.S. will also work with Cuba on such issues as migration, counternarcotics, human trafficking and the environment.
http://www.voanews.com/content/reu-cuba-releases-american-alan-gross/2562509.html

I am so happy PBO is doing this. It's about time we moved on! Oh yeah, screw Rubio.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
48. He is very good at politics.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:55 PM
Dec 2014

He has a remarkable propensity to wrong-foot his enemies. This is a great example.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
49. Charles Pierce explains:
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:59 PM
Dec 2014
As politics, of course, it's completely brilliant. Fresh off the Triumph Of The Morons, the Republicans now have two major freak-outs in their base that will do nothing except inflame the implacable Right, and thereby cripple the party's ability to reach out to the new Hispanic voters it claims it wants to attract. The president has dressed Mitch McConnell and John Boehner in meat suits and sent them to feed the wolverines. This is extraordinarily well-played. . . .


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016109243

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
50. Bush signs order lifting sanctions on Libya
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:10 PM
Dec 2014
Tuesday, September 21, 2004 Posted: 0812 GMT (1612 HKT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush on Monday signed an executive order lifting the remaining U.S. commercial sanctions against Libya after determining the African nation has met all of the U.S. requirements for eliminating its programs on weapons of mass destruction, CNN has learned.

The order went into effect Tuesday.

In December Bush announced an agreement between the United States, Britain and Libya for Libya to give up its WMD programs in exchange for the lifting of U.S. sanctions and better relations with the international community.

Bush had promised that Libya's actions would be responded to in "good faith" by the United States.

Since then, Libya has declared all of its nuclear and chemical weapons programs and embarked on a three-phase disarmament program in which the United States and Britain removed the majority of WMD material, about 1,032 metric tons, from the country.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/09/20/libya.sanctions/index.html?_s=PM:WORLD

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
51. Getting a look at their cars will fascinate us
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:23 PM
Dec 2014

They've kept them running for decades in good condition. Can't wait for a documentary or someone to take a long look.

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