DIA: North Korea Planned Attacks on US Nuclear Plants
Source: Washington Free Beacon
North Korea dispatched covert commando teams to the United States in the 1990s to attack nuclear power plants and major cities in a conflict, according to a declassified Defense Intelligence Agency report.
The DIA report, dated Sept. 13, 2004, reveals that five units of covert commandos were trained for the attacks inside the country.
According to the report, the Reconnaissance Bureau, North Korea, had agents in place to attack American nuclear power plants.
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The report indicates that power plants would be targeted for attack in the event of hostilities between the United States and DPRK the acronym for the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea.
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But the DIA report is the first intelligence document indicating North Korea had planned attacks inside the United States and dispatched agents for the operations.
Disclosure of the report, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, comes amid threats by presumed North Korean agents to conduct September 11-style terrorist attacks against U.S. movie theaters.
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A second DIA document reveals that an American defector identified only as Jackson and as a former Air Force officer was working inside North Korea for the Reconnaissance Bureau.
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Read more: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/dia-north-korea-planned-attacks-on-us-nuclear-plants/
bananas
(27,509 posts)It's only a matter of time until they are used that way.
Ukraine's security service warned they had threats against their reactors,
and the 911 hijackers considered attacking US reactors.
bananas
(27,509 posts)"Worlds first nuclear civil war may begin in Ukraine SBU statement"
http://www.nucpros.com/content/world%E2%80%99s-first-nuclear-civil-war-may-begin-ukraine-%E2%80%93-sbu-statement
"Level of security alert at Ukrainian nuclear power plants increased to the second level"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101683935
"Ukraine wants international monitors at nuclear plants"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101686799
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)[center]''Be afraid! Be very, very afraid!''
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- Pffft, commandos! Good thing we're safe and secure -- now that Megan's locked up.....
How an 82-year-old exposed security lapses at nuclear facilities
bananas
(27,509 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)The September 11 Commission also stated Al Qaeda had planned to attack gasoline stations in many major U.S cities, as well as hijack even more airplanes and crash them into nuclear power plants and major bridges on both coasts.
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed explained to Fouda, "We had a large surplus of brothers willing to die as martyrs. As we studied various targets, nuclear facilities arose as a key option"
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)are built would laugh at the idea of crashing a plane into them in the hope of turning the plant into a dirty bomb. One of the many requirements for their construction is the ability to withstand such an impact. Very unlikely scenario.
bananas
(27,509 posts)And Fukushima was designed to withstand earthquakes - and they did, but they melted down anyway.
The World Trade Center towers survived the plane impacts, but collapsed because the jet fuel made the support structures melty enough that they failed.
And the Fukushima reactors survived the earthquake, but melted down because the cooling system failed. (The cooling system actually broke during the earthquake, before the tidal wave hit, so the multiple meltdowns may have occurred even if the generators were above tidal wave height, and even if the tidal wave never hit).
And Fukushima reactor 4 had known defects in its pressure vessel, if it wasn't down for refueling it likely would have popped like popcorn kernel, which means they probably wouldn't have gotten cooling to the other reactors and they would also have popped like popcorn kernels.
Anyone being familiar with how containment buildings are built would laugh at the idea they can't be turned into dirty bombs. One of the many requirements they cheat on is being able to withstand earthquakes.
Not just a likely scenario - an inevitable scenario.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)comes from....?????
happyslug
(14,779 posts)The plane that did hit the World Trade Center were all much larger then a 707 and fully loaded with fuel. What was considered in the design was the towers being hit by a 707 running out of fuel and headed to an airport. A full Fuel load was NEVER brought into the calculations (and if it was, would have shown that the towers would have FAILED even with a 707 if that 707 was fully loaded with Fuel load:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-14
Two 767s were involved in the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001, resulting in the collapse of its two main towers. American Airlines Flight 11, a 767-200ER, crashed into the north tower, killing all 92 people on board, and United Airlines Flight 175, a 767-200, crashed into the south tower.
A Boeing 767 carried 16,700 Gallons of Fuel (South Tower) Collapsed At 9:59 am, the South Tower collapsed, 56 minutes after being struck.
A Boeing 767-ER carried 24,140 Gallons of Fuel (North Tower) The North Tower collapsed at 10:28 am, after burning for 102 minutes.
Thus while a Boeing 707 was considered in the design, fuel load of a 707 was NOT. The planes that did hit the Towers had about the same fuel load as a fully loaded 707 and it appears that the FIRE from those planes is what did in the Towers NOT the planes themselves.
Bin Laden was an ENGINEER and thus knew what it would take to knock the trade center down. Now, bin Laden expected a more conventional collapse not the pancaking that happened, but he knew there was enough fuel in those planes to do the job. IT was the FUEL that caused the tower to pancake NOT the impact itself.
Thus the TOWERS were never designed to take a hit by a FULLY FUELED JET. An almost empty jet looking to Land as JFK Airport but not a fully loaded jet and it was the FUEL burning on three floors at once that cause the Towers to pancake.
KG
(28,749 posts)cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)and actually implementing it.
Hell our own government has plans for alot of stuff that it will never implement.
Nitram
(22,663 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)How did this obviously classified report, if there is on, fall into their hands?
Comparing extortion of a movie company to this is ridiculous.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)those plants will sooner or later self-destruct, turning popular anger in the US onto the authorities without any outside agency having to lose a single brave volunteer...
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)After Fermi 1, 3 Mile Island, the contamination due to everything from the Manhattan Project to the open-air testing to the weapons production plants polluting Washington, Colorado, and of course, Chernobyl and Fukushima, I know NOTHING.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Considering how you list Fermi 1 and Three Mile Island together with Chernobyl and Fukushima as if they're anywhere near the same thing.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)First of all weapon production has nothing to do with commercial nuclear power. Second, nothing you listed regarding said nuclear power has anything to do with poor maintenance as you claimed in your first post. Fermi I was a material failure, Fukushima was because of awful generator placement, and the other two were operator errors.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)North Korea Planned Attacks on US Solar Energy Facility.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The Archives of Fear to dig up some skeletons to shake in front of the folks?
The American media is part of the problem, none of the solution of this epidemic of faux fear.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)FSogol
(45,355 posts)If they said the sky was blue, I'd go outside and check.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)One of the reason for such design was the US and the Soviet Union had bombing policies of destroying electrical generation capacity as one of the first thing one destroy. When it come to Nuclear reactors, destruction of the actual Nuclear plant within the dome was NOT needed, just blow away the surrounding distribution system would make the plant useless.
Thus a direct hit on the Containment domes were NOT needed and it fact would require a direct hit that would end up reducing the area affected by the A-bomb. i.e. You would crack the dome, but much more of the distribution system would survive, and such distribution system was always the main target of any such bombing by an Atomic Bomb.
Thus the idea bombing of an Atomic Generation plant was high enough for the maximum blast affect on the surrounding area, even if that meant the dome would survive. Given this attitude, you did NOT have to design the domes for a direct hit, but the over pressure of an blast at 10-20,000 feet above the dome. At that height the Atomic Bomb would do the most damage to the largest area, making the atomic reactor an isolated useless site that would be shut down and NOT used till the area was rebuilt.
As to the domes themselves, domes are the strongest buildings for all pressure is spread out to its base along its curve walls. The domes are also smooth, so there is nothing to catch the pressure from moving onward down the sloped wall and onto the surrounding land. Domes have been used to store high explosives for centuries do to this inherent strength. It was an easy switch to adopt them for nuclear power plants and with modern steel reinforced concrete can be made quite strong. Most were designed to take a blast from INSIDE the containment dome, but to take such a blast requires a much stronger dome then one designed to take a hit from the outside. Thus the domes were extremely strong and in many people's eyes not destroyable except by a direct hit by an atomic bomb AND that was NOT that likely given the accuracy of missiles till the 1980s.
In the 1980s it became more and more possible to hit something like a containment dome from clear across the world, but by then the question of why one would do so given that it would reduce the destruction in the area of the power plant.
Thus a nuclear containment dome can take a direct hit by a Plane for it is a dome and domes spread out the effect of any hit. Square boxes, like the World Trade Center, do NOT spread out the effect of the hit AND unlike domes, do NOT let fuel flow away form the impact cite. The World Trade Center had a center corridor with flat concrete slabs on each floor. There is some reports that the floors had a slight curve upward for it was better to err upward then downward during construction. i.e. to be safe you design each floor with one or two inches upward cant, so that when the building "Settled" each floor would still be flat as oppose to some floors with a slight tilt downward (and the impression such a tilt would do to officer workers as they see any water flowing to the windows as opposed to the Center Elevators).
Sorry, everything turns to fuel causing the Towers to collapse and the flat floors kept that fuel on each floor till it was burned OR the floor collapsed.
Domes, Circles and Triangles are stronger then Squares, but Squares are easier to design and build. Thus buildings are squares and thus weaker then Containment domes if everything else is the same.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)the consequences of a plane hitting a containment unit. Hearing all the scare talk is wearisome, particularly since it is fact-free.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)But geez, a scare story from the 90s now? Talk about desperate.