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Sat Dec 20, 2014, 07:47 AM

North Korea promises 'grave consequences' if US refuses joint investigation into Sony hacking

Source: Irish Independent

North Korea has proposed a joint investigation with the United States on the cyber attack against Sony Pictures and said the FBI’s suggestion that it was behind the attack was ‘slander’.

North Korea state media released a statement this morning and said there would be ‘grave consequences’ if the US refused to agree to the joint inquiry and continued to accuse them.

According to reports, the KCNA news agency released the statement with an unnamed state spokesperson quoted.

Meanwhile, Barack Obama has said US will respond "in a place and manner and time that we choose" to the hacking attack on Sony that led to the withdrawal of a satirical film about a plot to assassinate North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un.

Read more: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/north-korea-promises-grave-consequences-if-us-refuses-joint-investigation-into-sony-hacking-30852015.html

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Reply North Korea promises 'grave consequences' if US refuses joint investigation into Sony hacking (Original post)
Bosonic Dec 2014 OP
elias49 Dec 2014 #1
oberliner Dec 2014 #3
Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #8
oberliner Dec 2014 #14
BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #9
oberliner Dec 2014 #12
BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #16
Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #21
KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #22
JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #2
longship Dec 2014 #4
WhoWoodaKnew Dec 2014 #5
HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #6
Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #11
HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #13
Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #7
oberliner Dec 2014 #15
duhneece Dec 2014 #10
Posteritatis Dec 2014 #17
The Wizard Dec 2014 #18
davidpdx Dec 2014 #28
The Wizard Dec 2014 #30
Sunlei Dec 2014 #19
davidpdx Dec 2014 #29
Turbineguy Dec 2014 #20
okaawhatever Dec 2014 #25
NuclearDem Dec 2014 #23
Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #24
fingrin Dec 2014 #26
True Blue Door Dec 2014 #27

Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:06 AM

1. Lost in the typical, silly North Korean bluster is a great idea

 

that will, predictably, be poo-pooed by the US. The US reserves the right to strike back "...in a place and manner and time..." against an unproven offender because that 'offender' hacked into the database of a Japanese corporation. Somehow, the nincompoops in DC take this as a personal insult.
Wow! We are, indeed, the world's policeman.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:43 AM

3. Sony Pictures Entertainment is an American company

 

HQ is in Culver City, California. CEO and Co-Chairs are Americans.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:24 AM

8. SPE is a subsidiary of the Japanese multinational corporation Sony

 

Toyota Motor North America is also an 'American Company' but it's still Toyota and Toyota is still a Japanese Company. You are just splitting hairs. It's Sony.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:33 AM

14. A subsidiary is a company (though it is controlled by a larger company)

 

An attack on Toyota Motor North America would similarly be an attack on an American company.

Especially if all communication from the American leaders of that company were hacked as was the case here.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:26 AM

9. Sony Corporation is the Japanese-based entity that is the parent to and OWNS

Sony Pictures, Sony Electronics, Sony Music, and the rest of "Sony Group" companies. Sony is not an "American company" and neither is "Sony Pictures Entertainment".

That's just like saying because Toyota has a manufacturing plant and "U.S. headquarters" in Texas headed up by Americans, that it's suddenly not a Japanese company.

Alternately, Ford has a plant in Hiroshima headed up by Japanese, so you know, Ford is a "Japanese company" right?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:31 AM

12. Sony Pictures Entertainment is an American company

 

It is a subsidiary - i.e. a company controlled by a holding company.

There is no Japanese subsidiary company of Ford Motors.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:53 AM

16. It is a subsidiary of a Japanese-OWNED company

http://www.sonypictures.com/corp/aboutsonypictures.html

About Sony Pictures

Sony Pictures Entertainment (SPE) is a subsidiary of Sony Entertainment Inc., a subsidiary of [font size="5"]Tokyo-based Sony Corporation[/font] SPE's global operations encompass motion picture production, acquisition and distribution; television production, acquisition and distribution; television networks; digital content creation and distribution; operation of studio facilities; and development of new entertainment products, services and technologies.

For additional information, go to http://www.sonypictures.com.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:55 AM

21. But it is "cyberterrorism", you are supposed to be afraid, the mass media demands it.

I got a solution for corporstions in America, fix your fucking Internet securitu.....how many hacks into corporstions in America this year.....hundreds?

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Response to elias49 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:08 PM

22. North Korea won't be a pushover like Iraq* was. And North Korea has nukes and

 

a pretty sizable conventional arsenal lined up on Seoul. (*Iraq during the initial ground invasion. Iraq proved itself no pushover durign the Occupation that followed.)

Were I the U.S. government, I'd cool it with the sabre-rattling.

My Dad fought with the Marines at Inchon and he says the North Korean soldiers are tough fighters. Coming from an ex-Jarhead, that's mighty high praise.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:15 AM

2. They need to go hang

We shouldn't negotiate with a guy who only has his job due to nepotism and picking the right womb.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:03 AM

4. What are they gonna do? Bleed on us?


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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:04 AM

5. So they threatened us if we don't cooperate to see if they threatened us?????

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:08 AM

6. Threat and counterthreat...meh. Corporate internet insecurity needs fixing.

Tens of millions have had their bank accounts put at risk by international hacks and there is little national concern.

One movie maker (confession: I'm outside the target demographic for that comedy) gets it's records put at risk and the nation calls for war.

Whut?


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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:27 AM

11. The nation calls for war? Hyperbole much?

 

That's just hilarious.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:31 AM

13. I sorta thought hyperbole was a tool to reveal the ridiculous

perhaps we've moved beyond such.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:12 AM

7. "Grave consequences" ?

 

In all fairness , other than the FBI, do we REALLY have any proof ?

And who the hell believes the FBI?

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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:34 AM

15. What would constitute proof for you?

 

Can you give me a sense of what you would need to see or hear to prove that they were behind it?

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:26 AM

10. I tend to want ANY kind of encouraging relationships among people

...except that this is N Korea, so it throws my general approval for relationship building between people and among peoples into confusion.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:58 AM

17. At least "grave consequences" is calm guarded language by NK standards

Usually their bluster lathers itself up to the general realm of "we will reduce you to your constituent molecules and then stab them each in the face!" so hey, this is pleasantly restrained for once.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:03 AM

18. Just give them Dennis Rodman

and Ted Cruz and be done with them.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:42 PM

28. Oh come on that's cheap

I'm sure we can find a few more to give them. How about Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell, John Bohner, Marco Rubio, Justin Bieber, Joni Ernst, and the entire family of Mitt Romney.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:52 AM

30. What about Goering?

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:22 AM

19. how does NK connect to the USA, through China, SK or Russia?

Or does the hack start in the USA local and is more of a leak, not secure computers or another of the thousands of NSA employees who has access to anything they want?

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:45 PM

29. My guess would be China

South Korea (where I am) would not support any infrastructure). Russia had backed away from North Korea for quite awhile and is just now strengthening their relationship with them so that is doubtful.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:38 AM

20. Grave consequences?

As in "we'll shoot or starve a bunch of our own people, bury them and blame it on you!" consequences?

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:25 PM

25. +100 nt

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:30 PM

23. The retaliation will be severe!

 

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:39 PM

24. LOL. I can't wait to see what we have in store for them. nt

 

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:38 PM

26. Guardians of Peace

Really? A hacking group that sounds like a hollywood movie issued a vague threat and all of a sudden the FBI has evidence?
Im calling B/S on this one.
That bloody GOP (Guardians of peace) is at it again.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 04:41 PM

27. Well I am terrified. Just terrified.

If they can hack a movie studio and release a Brad Pitt movie early, there is no limit to their power!

Ugh, we need to humiliate this fucker in spectacular (but cool, nonviolent) fashion.

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