N.J. police union blames 'hatred aimed at officers' after 2 NYPD cops killed

[Omaha Steve]

Source: NJ.com

By Brian Amaral

The head of the state Policemen's Benevolent Association says the unchecked climate of "hatred" against police officers contributed to the shooting deaths of two New York cops Saturday.

"The attack on these officers is nothing less then an act of domestic terrorism spurred on by so much recent hatred aimed at officers everywhere," Patrick Colligan said in an emailed statement. "Our society stands safer because of the sacrifices officers make everyday, but the hatred that has grown over the past few weeks in this country has gone unchecked by many elected leaders. We all need to stand up, speak up, and oppose those who attack our law enforcement everywhere."

Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos suffered gunshot wounds to the head as they sat in a patrol car in Bedford-Stuyvesant, New York City Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said at a news conference tonight. They were there as part of a violence-reduction effort.

Ismaaiyl Brinsley, 28, of Georgia, has been identified as the shooter, Bratton said.

FULL story at link.



Police are seen on the scene at Tompkins and Myrtle avenues in Brooklyn where two New York City police officers were shot in New York, New York, USA, 20 December 2014. The 2 police officers died from their wounds and the shooter fled to a nearby subway station where he died reportedly from a sef-inflicted gunshot, according to media and police reports. EPA/JOHN TAGGART

Read more: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/nypd_officers_shot_nj_reacts.html

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I won't post what the NY officer said about this. It is on a far right wing blog.

[Dont call me Shirley]

1. Stop the instant conviction and sentencing of people. That is the job for judge and jury.

People are angry at the "above the law" actions of police. The PDs are the incitors of the hatred aimed at their own selves.

[Jeff Murdoch]

48. You forgot the executions.

[THECHOSEN1]

63. But wait

Isn't that exactly what many on this very board did about the St. Louis shooting and others. No one wanted justice, they wanted revenge. The people spoke but that was not good enough. If the judge and jury were to return a verdict in any of the recent cases that was anything but guilty I doubt you would be willing to accept that.

[Ed Suspicious]

66. Poor, poor put upon cops in MO, right?

[KingCharlemagne]

71. Poster probably believes every word of Witness #40 is gospel truth. No reasoning with such

folk, in my experience. Better simply to ignore them and let them damn themselves with their own words.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

2. Want to play that game?

I would say this asshole is trying to politicize the death of two officers.

[bvf]

16. Word. n/t.

[sybylla]

34. Yep.

It's not hatred of the police. As someone already said in this thread, it's hatred of "above the law" tactics used by police.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

37. I'm afraid my immediate reaction was "What goes around, comes around"

Not very charitable, and probably unjust, but there you are.

[BlueCaliDem]

53. I know how you feel.

And I don't like it that it was my first impression, too, but...there we are.

[pasto76]

57. I think you are right on

and in typical douchebag style - the NYPD union head is blaming DeBlasio. What are the odds the union head is a conservative?

-possibly- if the response from NYPD et al about Garners death hadnt been so vitriolic and full of bullshit, this nutjob may not have been motivated to murder them.

[VanillaRhapsody]

76. Amazing how many "Union Members" are Rightwingers among the uniformed!

PD and FD....it amazes and scares the shit outta me at the same time!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

59. The cops have come off like killing black people is not only FREE but a cherished tradition.

[AndreaCG]

3. Well the shooter is dead so we can't ask him

What part the recent police murders played in his killing them. But police are murdered in less inflammatory times too. The police unions are just trying to place blame on all protestors without specific evidence to back it up. That's inappropriate but not surprising

[ellenrr]

24. agree. and I fear this event will tamp down the protests against police brutality... nt

[Jeff Murdoch]

49. More likely, police will use this as an excuse

to use more violence in dispersing protests.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

51. Now the cops hate one of the only politicians willing to stand up to them...The mayor

All police forces have to go, retrain, etc.


Enforce the 2nd amendment, removing all guns, then cops dont have to have guns, then you can train them to be diplomats, not armed enforcers.

[AndreaCG]

54. That's not likely to happen

Though I agree in theory it would be nice to confine guns to being in private hands just as a militia. That would eliminate guns for hunting too, and being a vegetarian wouldn't I like to see that happen?! It just won't though.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

55. and now I will delete what i wrote, just remembered where i was, sad face

[THECHOSEN1]

64. So you don't think

the protests in NYC where they were chanting they wanted dead cops had nothing to do with these killings?

[avebury]

67. The NYPD have only themselves to blame for how the

people react to them.

They have had segments of cops among them who have acted for years like out of control thugs and have been protected by the System and the union. Furthermore, they continue killing citizens without consequence. Any cop daring to stand up to the system is in extreme fear for his/her life. Maintaining the status quo results in all cops remaining at risk, even the good cops. And then events like yesterday occur and the Police leadership, union and the cops positively whine about how the people treat them and how dangerous the people are. They are in total denial of the role they have played resulting in incidents resulting in the death or injuries of their "blue brothers." Meanwhile, the refuse to acknowledge their involvement in the problem, refuse to change their ways and will whine again down the road when the next incident occurs.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein.

[THECHOSEN1]

69. So you're saying these two cops deserved to die

I hope when you dial 911 you get a dial tone.

[avebury]

70. That is not what I said.

What I am saying is that the anger of the NYPD and Union is displaced due to their failure to acknowledge the actions of out of control thugs in the NYPD do play a role in how the public react to them. If you continue to allow thugs to run amok in NYC there will be consequence and not always the type you might want. Proper consequence is to hold out of control police thugs accountable for their actions and not protecting them. Failure to do so is a failure to meet their mission statement to protect and serve the public.

There is more then one type of consequence to an action and sometimes it has horrific impact on others, in this case the two cops killed yesterday.

Which is the better consequence? To weed out the police thugs and prosecute them accordingly and thus restore the honor of the NYPD while regaining the trust of the people? Or to cover up police misdeeds, conduct a war on the masses to meet artificial quotas and come across like a Fascist police force, the result of which is that THEY end up creating additional peril to every officer on the force?

It is terrible that these two officers died. However, the NYPD and their union are wrong to place the blame on DeBlasio and Holder when the greater share of the blame resides within their own house. They have given no indication that they have any plans of ever cleaning their own house. Like it or not, there will continue to be incidents like yesterday.


As Albert Einstein said: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

[inanna]

4. Worst-Case Scenario Comes True for de Blasio (NY Times)

It is the sequence that every mayor dreads: the ominous report, the scramble to the hospital and the confirmation that, yes, an attack against the police has proved fatal.

But for Mayor Bill de Blasio, the tragedy on Saturday — when two police officers were shot and killed in an ambush in Brooklyn, according to the authorities — arrived at a particularly trying moment.

For weeks, New York City has become the roiling epicenter of a national reckoning over the police and race, attracting nightly protests since a Staten Island grand jury declined to bring criminal charges against a white police officer in the case of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man who died after a chokehold in July.

Union leaders have condemned the mayor for what they have called insufficient support of the police; they have circulated a letter allowing officers to request that he not attend their funerals in the event of a line-of-duty death.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/nyregion/worst-case-scenario-comes-true-for-de-blasio.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

[ellenrr]

25. yes, it will be used against the mayor. The mass media is so irrational,

so devoid of critical thinking skills -
as are the people who follow them -

they will try to "tie" the Mayor and the protesters and Al Sharpton and... to the event.
and they will succeed.

a killing which was done by ONE deranged individual.

this is really the worse thing that could happen, obviously it is the worst thing for the cops and their families - but from the standpoint of a protest movement which was gaining momentum coast-to-coast and around the world...

[lark]

60. Smart move

douchebag police union officer. If your folks weren't so out of control, and weren't committing crimes with no accountability at all, maybe this wouldn't have happened? We really have no idea of where the shooter was coming from, we do know he killed others first, so maybe this had nothing at all to do with the marches? This is just pure RW hate talk, like always. They have no sense of shame, supporting murderers until they turn on them and then it's the peaceful marchers fault? It's the protestors fault? Stupid, just pure stupidity. They created the current aversion against law enforcement. However, there's always been cop murders, even when the nation wasn't split like it is now.

I feel for the officers who were killed and their families, just the same way I do for Mike Brown. Eric Garner and all the others. Shame that some innocent cops "may" die for the murders committed by their brethren. There's no proof that happened here. However, if they , as an institution, start protecting the people again and stop killing people just for being a minority or different and the rage will go away.

[former9thward]

62. He did not "killed others first".

He shot a women, presumably a girl friend, and she is expected to survive. He is not accused of any other killings before. Nothing to do with the Garner or Brown? I guess you ignored the message he posted on instragram. it was pretty clear.

[geomon666]

5. Only cops are allowed to kill with impunity.

I'm sorry these officers are dead just like I'm sorry for the deaths of all the people police have wrongfully killed. They all have something in common. None of them deserved to die.

[Ed Suspicious]

6. Fuck them. Cop lives are no more or less valuable than anybody else.

[blm]

7. What did they say about the RW hate that killed officers in Arkansas, Las Vegas, Pennsylvania?

What did FOX say?

What did Police Unions say?

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/06/09/vegas-cop-killers-awash-anti-government-rightwing-conspiracy

Vegas Cop Killers Awash in Anti-Government, Rightwing Conspiracy
Local reporting: After fatally shooting two police officers, assailants placed 'Don't Tread On Me' flags over bodies
>>>>

[Spitfire of ATJ]

10. EXACTLY.

[BeyondGeography]

28. They blamed demonstrating teabaggers for egging on the sovereign citizens movement

and put conservative Republicans on the defensive.

[blm]

58. FOX: No reply.

.

[McCamy Taylor]

8. And why is there hatred aimed at police officers?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

11. They would claim it's the fault of the mayor for not backing them up 110%....

Ya see, it's all that Liberal Mayor's fault.

It's all about "respect".

[Stevepol]

65. If police want respect,

let them respect the people they are paid to serve.

There are laws of human relations that are true for all people at all times. The biggest of them is called karma: what you sow you reap.

[SamKnause]

9. I blame the officers

and their union.

[47of74]

12. I've decided that I'm not going back to NYC anytime soon

I've been there once and had a good time but I think with this disgusting politicization that was going on really turns me off on any future visits to NYC. It's the only way I know of to protest all their behavior, to speak with my $$$.

[Comrade Grumpy]

13. Why would anyone have a beef with the NYPD?

Millions of stop-and-frisks of young people of color.

World leader in small-time marijuana arrests, even though the state decriminalized it in 1978.

Hundreds of millions of tax-payer dollars paid out to settle brutality and wrongful death lawsuits.

The thuggery we can see on display on a daily basis.

Eric Garner. Abner Louima. Amadou Diallou. The list goes on and on.

[Monk06]

14. If you act like a foreign occupier, sooner or later the citizens will start acting like insurgents.

Here is an excellent philological history of revolts of the common people against the greed and 'irascible intellect' of violent oligarchs. From the Chicago School of Methodist/Socialists.

I provides the moral argument for resistance to cop violence that we see today everywhere in the world.

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL13490680M/The_ancient_lowly

[former9thward]

19. So this guy who shot his girlfriend was an insurgent?

In your world, no one else's.

[Monk06]

73. Try not to be so literal minded. I was talking about the larger picture including Ferguson and

and the cop killings.

I'm tired of you sanctimonious finger waggers on this site.

Try starting a mature discussion next time.

[frylock]

17. this dumbshit would've been best served to offer his condolences and then just shuddup..

instead he decides to throw gasoline.

[Derek V]

18. The Heart Bleeds!

Or not.

[billhicks76]

20. People Should Speak Up That Killing Officers is WRONG

And, at the same time, the police need to stop terrorizing the people of this country and quit using the outdated War On Drugs as the vehicle to do it.They kill and pillage and are awash in billions of dollars they steal from the treasury and peoples pockets. Get rid of the bad apples...unless they claim they are all the same apples. Every other business or organization purges the bad 5%...thats how it works. So you have terrorist cops fighting terrorist gang members...its a cycle. Citizen police review boards with teeth will correct much of this.

[DeSwiss]

21. And not for no reason.

- When you figure that one out, maybe you'll understand. And also bear something else in mind, there are more of us than you.

K&R

[Feral Child]

22. He's a liar.

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The suicidal shooter was looking to "glamorize" his suicide, no different from any other grandstanding murder/suicide.

There's no evidence that I've read that indicated he was in any way connected to protests.

They'll play this for all the sympathy they can get, all the press coverage they can get. And it will be used as an excuse for further profiling, civil rights violations and unprovoked killings of black citizens.

This narcissistic suicide has given cops the excuse to escalate the war of attrition and genocide they've waged since the Emancipation Proclamation.

EDIT: I've qualified the word "glamorize" to indicate that I think that was his intent. I certainly don't find his actions glamorous, nor do I consider them reprisals or politically or racially motivated. This sad little person just wanted to get noticed.

[ellenrr]

26. cop killer's fb page (apparently) -

great, now they can use this murder - not only to blame the protesters-
but to ramp up "war on terror"

what a gift this idiot cop-killer gave to the powers that be.

As news begins to trickle out on Ismaaiyl Brinsley, the shooter who murdered two NYPD cops today execution-style, it has been discovered that Brinsley posted on his Facebook account a page of the Quran with a notorious verse calling for waging terror on Allah’s enemies.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/12/20/cop-killer-ishmael-brinsley-posted-quranic-verse-and-strike-terror-into-their-hearts/

[Feral Child]

29. Really sad.

Clearly he was desperately thrashing around looking for an appropriate "cause" to "dignify" his impending suicide.

Idiot had no idea how much anguish he was going to cause.

Absolutely self-absorbed. Thanks, ellenr.

[truth2power]

46. "...a page of the Quran with a notorious verse

calling for waging terror on Allah's enemies."

Yeah, and never mind the plethora of verses in the Old Testament where Jehovah calls for his people to wage utter destruction on HIS enemies.

If Brinsley had quoted the Christian Bible you'd hear 'crickets' about it.

[ellenrr]

50. yeah, if someone were setting this guy up, that would be the verse they would put on his fb page. nt

[heaven05]

36. True

[Feral Child]

39. It's not like these Posers care about people dying

but this will certainly pad out the budget.

Police unions collude with administrators. They protect rotten cops the bosses like, sure, but turn their backs on a decent cop when the brass wants to ruin his career because he won't play along with their scams

[heaven05]

43. Exactly

their stupid political games put everyone at risk. Peaceful protestors, unarmed citizens, all, but mostly minority, good cops and the "bad apple" corrupt cop/murderers/executioners. No one will be safe after Foxsnooze, rushthepig and the rest of that ilk finishes their hateful rants on the need to limit more personal freedoms because of the the anarchy. A corrupt dictatorship led by fascists is all I see on the horizon for this country and ALL it's citizens, EXCEPT the privileged few(1%). As far as the padding goes, watch more and more armored vehicles and military style security forces(police) on the streets of amerika. A peaceful citizen will be swept up with all the others deemed "thugs" and "threats" to the privileged few 1% and their duped lackeys.

[Feral Child]

45. I agree

Corporate feudalism seems to be the current trend, but I think I can make a case for a balkanized America with the Bible Belt emerging as a theocracy.

Once the Eisenhower Republicans failed and the Dominionists took power, America began the same decline that all empires face.

We didn't last very long.

[Igel]

40. But that means he assumed he'd get a lot of support and justification for the murders.

Imagine somebody saying, "The suicidal shooter was looking to glamorize his suicide by killing nursing home residents, no different from any other grandstanding murder/suicide."


If people didn't think it was okay to judge and hate cops, it wouldn't count as "glamorizing".


It might serve to draw attention, but "glamor" assumes that at least some will consider this a mitzvah or good deed.

[Feral Child]

41. Only "Glamorized" because

the protests were big in the news. This jerk would have chosen any cause ce'lebre' that would get him noticed. If nothing else had grabbed his attention I'm sure that the old and frail would have sufficed.

Perhaps "glamor" was a poor chose of words, I was responding angrily, which I try to avoid, and hurriedly.

BTW, it's quite proper to judge and even hate cops. I don't advocate or respect killing them, though. Like all oppressors, they'll over-react in order to make a noticeable example.

I do hope you aren't criticizing anyone for judging them, or even hating them. They've given plenty of people reason to hold a grudge. Abuse of power is generally frowned upon, as is racism and the slaughter of innocents.

[ellenrr]

23. .. of course... you knew this is what they'd say... nt

[ellenrr]

27. this will also take the pressure off the "Witness 40" lies and the prosecutors misconduct. nt

[Feral Child]

38. Oh, yeah. I suppose you're right.

I was attacked by 4 of our police fan-boys in one of those threads. I just blow them off. If no body lets them play, they'll go back to annoying the waitress at Waffle House.

They'll show up in these threads soon, as soon as the talking-point memo filters down.

[ellenrr]

44. :)

[truth2power]

47. Bingo!! n/t

[Sunlei]

30. This is another senseless "murder (s) suicide". Hysterical police do not help, the man suicided.

What I'd like to know is how 2 on duty police officers were not paying attention.

[Blue State Bandit]

31. If the PBA would stop protecting the bad seeds just because they wear a badge...

they wouldn't be painting targets on good officers' heads.

People don't target their protectors, they target there oppressors.

[blackspade]

32. Way to go Colligan! Dumbass....

Just when the cops need some public sympathy and empathy, they wheel this fucking idiot out.
Really? This is all caused by 'hatred' of the cops by society at large?
how tone deaf can you be? When you act like an occupying army the results are tragic for everyone.

[heaven05]

33. It will only mean

more shootings of civilians and cops. And a never ending, possibly, escalating cycle of violence......by troubled people behind the badge and not. This particular person's action will lead to LWers(protesters) suffering the main consequence. The man who did this is dead, I guess. So we'll see what this action leads to with peaceful protesters confronting the cops? The RW is creating this climate of violent hate and americans are starting to buy into it, big time. Nov 4, 2014 proved that to me. Wait until January, 2015..........

[WhoWoodaKnew]

35. They may or may not be right but being cops you would think they would at least

do an investigation before making such a statement. How many times have cops been wrong in their initial evaluation???

[LiberalElite]

42. I would say this guy (the perp)

was an outlaw to begin with and not trying to be a hero. He hated the cops regardless.

[LiberalElite]

52. Correction: NY not NJ :)

[CanonRay]

56. When no one polices the police

hatred of police is bound to be the result. I hope this doesn't ramp up the cycle of violence.

[randr]

61. As head of the Police union I would assume he would be interested

in getting the the root of the hatred and mistrust of our officers.

[SunSeeker]

68. It is not "hatred aimed at officers," it's outrage at injustice.

To suggest that protests against the wrongful acts of a few cops/prosecutors equates to hatred of all cops is pretty insulting to the good cops. It implies that what happened to Garner and Brown is just normal, appropriate police action...something ALL cops do and should do. Colligan is as twisted as the guy who shot the two cops.

[RobinA]

72. Wow

The victim blaming on this thread is disgusting. And hypocritical, but mostly disgusting.

[bigdarryl]

74. I'm a retired member of this union and there TOTALLY!! out of line

First of all this is the same union that constantly supported republican Governors in NJ resulting in us getting fucked over so I don't want to here shit from them

[Odin2005]

75. Gee, I wonder why they are hated...

[Taitertots]

77. Murder caused by hatred. Hatred caused by fear...

Fear caused by a decades of murder and abuse.

but NYPD like to pretend that people don't like them for any reason that isn't widespread police criminality.