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adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:48 PM Aug 2014

Why Won't the Left Get Behind Bernie Sanders '16?

By Bill Scher - August 18, 2014
"There is a wariness of Hillary Clinton in some corners of the left.

"Will Hillary be with Wall Street like she's been all along?" asks the executive director of Democracy for America. "Generalissima Hillary Clinton," scoffs Ralph Nader—and that was before her hawkish interview with The Atlantic. Clinton’s skeptics want her to face a primary challenger, if not to defeat her then to apply enough left-flank pressure so she will not have an incentive to drift rightward in the general election (or as president). Strangely, they are ignoring someone who is already auditioning for the role of progressive populist challenger, and who has the chops to back it up: Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

Left-wing Democrats pine for Sen. Elizabeth Warren. But she has emphatically said she is not running, nor is she doing anything prospective candidates have to do to prepare to run, like visit early primary states.

Sanders is practically identical to Warren when it comes to the issues progressive populists care about—and where they consider Clinton squishy. He wants to break up the big banks so they can’t be “too big to fail.” He wants to see bankers responsible for the 2008 crash thrown in jail. He was one of only four senators, including Warren, to oppose President Obama’s nominee for U.S. trade representative in protest of the White House’s push for regional trade agreements with Europe and Asia. He would increase, not cut, Social Security benefits.

For liberals who consider Clinton suspect on military matters, Sanders voted against the most recent defense spending bill, saying it was another “bloated military budget.” Warren, who represents a state with six military bases, voted for it.

Sanders holds an even bigger advantage over Warren: He’s actually interested in running."


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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/08/18/why_wont_the_left_get_behind_bernie_sanders_16_123680.html

Excellent article and argument, well worth the entire read.

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Why Won't the Left Get Behind Bernie Sanders '16? (Original Post) adirondacker Aug 2014 OP
Is Warren a lefty? randys1 Aug 2014 #1
because he cant win MFM008 Aug 2014 #2
He would win my vote Vincardog Aug 2014 #15
I don't think Clinton can take Kentucky either A Little Weird Aug 2014 #20
The goal may not be necessarily to win the primary... Chan790 Aug 2014 #24
Thank you! Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2014 #36
+1 Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #29
Not with that attitude. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2014 #35
I've met many Democrats who are interested in Sanders. agbdf Aug 2014 #3
then they are not democrats they are independents..... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #6
Bernie says he will run in the Democratic primaries and caucuses agbdf Aug 2014 #8
Please provide proof that "Bernie says..." he will run in the Democratic primaries? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #9
Look it up yourself, he's said it. agbdf Aug 2014 #10
It is NOT my job to prove YOUR contention.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #11
if they are first a Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #12
"Look it up yourself"? Wrong answer. You made the claim, please back it up. Thanks. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #30
sanders is an independent. good luck with that strategy nt msongs Aug 2014 #4
There are many more issues than thinking bankers should be held accountable. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #5
Sanders is not a Democrat 4now Aug 2014 #7
Plz see post 23 below 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #28
Because I am not a socialist. Shivering Jemmy Aug 2014 #13
Well I just heard from the PUMA FLA and I'm posting that on it's own. Hillary needs to see it. TheNutcracker Aug 2014 #14
I will vote for Bernie, if given the chance. immoderate Aug 2014 #16
I can support Bernie fully, Paka Aug 2014 #17
Puhleeze. I see people all day long on my FB, social righties and bible-thumpers, agree and share silvershadow Aug 2014 #18
Hillary is to the political <<RIGHT>> of Obama, if you can imagine that... blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #19
Sanders over Clinton any day of the week 4dsc Aug 2014 #21
I'm behind Bernie. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #22
I will vote for Bernie, even if he runs as a Republican. Dawgs Aug 2014 #23
I hadn't heard that. Nice one Bernie. ~nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #27
I like Bernie Sanders...but polynomial Aug 2014 #25
I'm there 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #26
The ten or twelve of us on the left surely will. FiveGoodMen Aug 2014 #31
Sanders has been "independent" all this time, he should stay that way. There's no way I would.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #32
The Left is pretty much behind Bernie. Maedhros Aug 2014 #33
Exactly! Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2014 #37
Democrats have been quite clear about their disdain for the Left. Maedhros Aug 2014 #38
Give 'em hell, Bernie! n/t Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2014 #34
I would be to consider Sanders depending who else runs davidpdx Aug 2014 #39

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Is Warren a lefty?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:50 PM
Aug 2014

I know she is great on finance and maybe jobs, but she used to be a republican so what is what with her on the rest I wonder

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
2. because he cant win
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:51 PM
Aug 2014

he is viewed as the senatorial Dennis Kucinich. Sorry I like Bernie but he just cant win nationwide. Can you see Clinton take Kentucky...yes......Bernie???? No.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
20. I don't think Clinton can take Kentucky either
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 07:27 AM
Aug 2014

I would be happy to vote for Sanders but I agree that it seems unlikely he could win.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
24. The goal may not be necessarily to win the primary...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:43 AM
Aug 2014

for the Democratic-left as much as to force Hillary on the record to repudiate the DLC, Wall Street, free-trade and her own hawkishness.

I disagree further with your supposition, not because Bernie can win Kentucky but because we don't need to win Kentucky. I'm almost getting tired of saying this...there is no EC path for the GOP to a win unless they can sweep the battleground states of OH, FL and VA and take one more safe Democratic state away in 2016. The EC map is a Democratic lock-cinch unless our candidate makes an election-blowing misstep. It's just not happening. It does not matter who we nominate...we could win with Kucinich even and he's a conspiracy theorist crank. Sanders is just really left-wing.

There is no reason to nominate Clinton because we have no necessity to moderate Democratic core-values in order to win in 2016.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
36. Thank you!
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:27 PM
Aug 2014

Why can the GOP nominate Reagan and Bush W. Bush and get away with it? Because they don't succumb to defeatist thinking the way the Left does.

We need to vote for our beliefs and for the person who best represents our vision and values. Not some grifting, triangulating, opportunist that would disown us as soon as the election was announced.

Thank you, Chan790, for your post.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
35. Not with that attitude.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:22 PM
Aug 2014

I'm sick of choosing reactionaries, Democrat or Republican because of the tautological argument that a more progressive candidate can't win. Well, of course they can't if you don't vote for them!

 

agbdf

(200 posts)
3. I've met many Democrats who are interested in Sanders.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:51 PM
Aug 2014

I, however, am fully behind Hillary. I believe she will be our next President.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
6. then they are not democrats they are independents.....
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:05 PM
Aug 2014

as Bernie hasn't become a Democrat thus far...

 

agbdf

(200 posts)
8. Bernie says he will run in the Democratic primaries and caucuses
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:08 PM
Aug 2014

If he does this, I would not fault a Democrat supporting him. I just am supporting a different candidate - HRC.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
9. Please provide proof that "Bernie says..." he will run in the Democratic primaries?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:13 PM
Aug 2014

Bernie is not a Democrat...he is not eligible to.

 

agbdf

(200 posts)
10. Look it up yourself, he's said it.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:24 PM
Aug 2014

Any person, so long as they meet the legal and constitutional requirements, can file to run in the Democratic presidential Primaries and Caucuses.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
11. It is NOT my job to prove YOUR contention....
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:36 PM
Aug 2014

you are supposed to look it up! Didn't you do term papers in high school? That is how you support your point....you validate them by providing proof.

pssssstttt...

Bernie said no such thing....

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. There are many more issues than thinking bankers should be held accountable.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:02 PM
Aug 2014

He could serve very well in his current position to hold the bankers accountable for their actions. We need a well rounded candidate for president.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
17. I can support Bernie fully,
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:36 PM
Aug 2014

and would love to vote for him. I can not and will not vote for Hillary. Bernie may be an independent, but Hillary is a Republican through and through.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
18. Puhleeze. I see people all day long on my FB, social righties and bible-thumpers, agree and share
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:44 PM
Aug 2014

Bernie's quotes. I don't believe that the left can't coalesce around him (or Warren, or he and Warren).

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
21. Sanders over Clinton any day of the week
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 07:43 AM
Aug 2014

We need to get the Democratic party back to where is represent the majority of people and not the moneyed interests.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
23. I will vote for Bernie, even if he runs as a Republican.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 08:25 AM
Aug 2014

BTW, he said he will run as a Democrat to make sure he's not another Nader.

polynomial

(750 posts)
25. I like Bernie Sanders...but
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:09 PM
Aug 2014

For years We the People hear the rhetoric “Bipartisan”.

Guess in my retirement age I have had it with these politicians.

We need ass kicking politicians to put away Wall street’s lies that’s ok we will adjust we the people can trade on eBay or any place that really is a free market.

They want free market and they will get it. No more nice guy no more Cayman Island tax dodgers.

It’s only my gut feeling Bernie or Hillary do not have the wherewithal to send who ever need it to hell. They have to say it commit themselves to really clean house. Thought Obama would do it found out not going to happen.

It’s time for the hammer of justice to clobber the Supreme Court to get rid of half of it...

We the people need legions of Grand Juries to indict not only the Rick Perry’s but a laundry list of others. It baffles me how Texas voters put up with this fool.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
31. The ten or twelve of us on the left surely will.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:38 PM
Aug 2014

But we'll be up against both parties and many on this site.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
32. Sanders has been "independent" all this time, he should stay that way. There's no way I would....
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:38 PM
Aug 2014

support someone for jumping in just to take advantage of the infrastructure built by Democrats, because he belongs to a party that has none. No turning over our resources (money, mailing lists, etc) to someone who has wanted to keep his distance from the "democratic" label all these years. Screw that.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
38. Democrats have been quite clear about their disdain for the Left.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:49 PM
Aug 2014

Those pigeons will come home to roost, eventually.

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