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n2doc

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Tue Aug 19, 2014, 07:22 AM Aug 2014

The Neoconservative Origins of Our Police Problem

Mike Konczal

Before it was anything else, the neoconservative movement was a theory of the urban crisis. As a reaction to the urban riots of the 1960s, it put an ideological and social-scientific veneer on a doctrine that called for overwhelming force against minor infractions -- a doctrine that is still with us today, as people are killed for walking down the street in Ferguson and allegedly selling single cigarettes in New York. But neoconservatives also sought, rather successfully, to position liberalism itself as the cause of the urban crisis, solvable only through the reassertion of order through the market and the police.

Edward Banfield was one of the first neoconservative thinkers who started writing in the 1960s and '70s and was a prominent figure in the movement, though he isn’t remembered as well as his close friends Milton Friedman or Leo Strauss, or his star student James Q. Wilson. Banfield contributed to the beginning of neoconservative urban crisis thinking, the Summer 1969 "Focus on New York" issue of The Public Interest, which began to formalize neoconservatives’ framing of the urban crisis as the result of not just the Great Society in particular but the liberal project as a whole.

In his major book The Unheavenly City (pdf here), Banfield set the tone for much of what would come in the movement. Commentary described the book as “a political scientist’s version of Milton Friedman’s Capitalism and Freedom” at the time. It sold 100,000 copies, and gathered both extensive news coverage and academic interest.

The Unheavenly City’s most infamous chapter is “Rioting Mainly for Fun and Profit.” Fresh off televised riots in Watts, Detroit, and Newark, Banfield argued that it was "naive to think that efforts to end racial injustice and to eliminate poverty, slums, and unemployment will have an appreciable effect upon the amount of rioting that will be done in the next decade or two.” Absolute living standards had been rising rapidly. For Banfield, this was entirely the result of market and social forces rather than the state, and the poor, with their short time-horizons and desire for immediate gratification, would largely be left behind and always be prone to rioting. Today’s classic, if often implicit, repudiations of poor people’s humanity were clearly expressed here.

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The Neoconservative Origins of Our Police Problem (Original Post) n2doc Aug 2014 OP
This weekend I happened across Fox & Friends with Tucker Carlson underpants Aug 2014 #1
It has always been thus Cartoonist Aug 2014 #2

underpants

(182,626 posts)
1. This weekend I happened across Fox & Friends with Tucker Carlson
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 08:21 AM
Aug 2014

He stated that the riots in Newark, Detroit, and LA from '65 to '68 drove "people" out to the suburbs. That, he said , was the main cause. He specifically mentioned those three cities and claimed that "we haven't heard from those cities for about 40 years now" - that is almost exact quote.

Look I know it was Tucker Carlson but watching it I was thinking - that is a really structured point - my wife and I were already laughing/shaking our heads at their story lines (Did Obama have his "Mission Accomplished" moment at the press conference? and others) and turned it off. Now it makes sense.

Great post.

Cartoonist

(7,309 posts)
2. It has always been thus
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 10:50 AM
Aug 2014

The problem with police is in the hiring. Only a certain type of individual can become a cop. Someone who sees things in shades of gray, rather than stark black and white, won't even get in the door. Uncomfortable with some laws? Believe that some punishments are unjust? Then there is no room for you in the PD.
I'm not saying that all cops are crooks, just that their personality type is not in tune with the general populace.

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