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niyad

(113,259 posts)
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:17 PM Apr 2015

Why Are Women Angry? Because 'They Still Have to Protest This Shit'

(an excellent read)


Why Are Women Angry? Because 'They Still Have to Protest This Shit'

Answering the clichèd question, 'Why are Feminists so angry?'


On January 28, Jessica Valenti delivered a keynote address about anger, activism and reproductive rights to the staff and supporters of Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, in Houston.

Transcript:

I’m honored to be in a room with such incredible activists and supporters of the wonderful work PP Gulf Coast does—so thank you for having me here. Given that there’s news on women’s reproductive rights every day (most often none of it good), when I was thinking about what to say today, I had a hard time narrowing it down.

It’s really difficult to articulate the nuance and the complexity of issues like activism, women, politics, bodily integrity. Then I was reminded of this protest sign that I saw a picture of, and I wanted to share it with you because I think it perfectly captures the sentiment of this particular moment in the fight for reproductive rights:

There’s something about it—it’s simple, it speaks to all generations. And this is actually a picture from a demonstration in Virginia when the state was trying to mandate transvaginal ultrasounds for women seeking abortions—a mandate I know you all know very well because Texas was also on its way to passing one when this protest occurred.

So I wanted to show you this picture because its funny, but I also wanted to share it because there’s a story behind it.



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http://www.commondreams.org/views/2013/01/31/why-are-women-angry-because-they-still-have-protest-shit

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Why Are Women Angry? Because 'They Still Have to Protest This Shit' (Original Post) niyad Apr 2015 OP
AHA! This exact sign is on a print (on a card) Lifelong Protester Apr 2015 #1
good thing to have on one's desk. niyad Apr 2015 #2
Yep, old and still pi**ed! Lifelong Protester Apr 2015 #3
yes, we are. niyad Apr 2015 #4
Of course, it is infuriating that they should have to. The real question is Dragonfli Apr 2015 #5
Hey. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #6
Well, it appears we do agree on something after all. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #8
I guess we do. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #9
thank you!! you are not butting in, men have women in their lives about whom niyad Apr 2015 #12
I don't know why every time I brink up that idea people look at me like I have two heads Dragonfli Apr 2015 #20
Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #17
I am one of the strongest proponents of economic justice posting here, i disagree with Dragonfli Apr 2015 #19
But ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #21
Sounds like you need to take that up with the poster saying that Dragonfli Apr 2015 #22
I did ... I do ... and I will ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #23
I say that I do not see what you do, but perhaps my perspective is skewed because three Dragonfli Apr 2015 #24
I think you have me twisted ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #25
Kick... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #7
What REALLY gets them angry is the men who think they have all of the power.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #10
not only based on their mood, but on their blind, hateful ignorance, just like niyad Apr 2015 #13
I live in Arizona ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #18
how such ignorant people think they have a right to make rules and laws on niyad Apr 2015 #27
Mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. And I'm not waiting on the back burner McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #11
yes, how long have we been told that? niyad Apr 2015 #14
. . . niyad Apr 2015 #15
Kick, kick, kick. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #16
I have not been online the last couple of days, so I thank you for pointing this one niyad Apr 2015 #28
We should jail all the men to get women pregnant onecaliberal Apr 2015 #26
a most excellent thought, but the damned woman-hating, pro-forced birthers in niyad Apr 2015 #29
Agreed. It's maddening. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #30
This right, what to do with one's body, should be protected. midnight Apr 2015 #31
and yet, the right to full autonomy for women is increasingly under ever-more virulent attack. niyad Apr 2015 #32

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
1. AHA! This exact sign is on a print (on a card)
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:27 PM
Apr 2015

I have on my desk. Sign has same colors, same print, and STILL is underlined in orange! It has an allegory of America coming ashore (Wade) carrying a paddle (Row/Roe). I didn't know that the sign was from a famous picture.

And yes, we are mad we have to protest this sh** still!

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
5. Of course, it is infuriating that they should have to. The real question is
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 10:58 PM
Apr 2015

why don't people understand the anger?

It makes perfect sense, IMO woman are losing a great deal of ground and in many cases the loss of ground is life threatening where health issues are concerned.

I think since most of the really dangerous attacks in the war on women is state based GOP legislation spreading like wild fire. The only solution in my opinion is for the federal government to get involved, much as they had to during the not to terribly long ago civil rights era when states were using similar tactics against PoC.

Why the hell not the national guard escorting women to an abortion clinic in a country where the right supposedly exists for women to make their own health choices? People for some reason disagree with this idea of mine, but I don't understand why.

There are more subtle discrimination laws against women where others solutions still need to be found, but access to safe clean abortion clinics for every women that needs one should be protected by the federal government and where the ploy used is to make it so no clinics are allowed to operate within a reasonable distance, federal clinics should be brought to bear to provide abortions or contraception as needed (even basic women's health as even that is apparently being lost due to bullshit).



It is not my intention to but into women's issues (being a man) but we are all people and half of the people are being attacked and I love and have loved many of this half of our population starting with the first one I ever met, my mother.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
6. Hey.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 12:03 AM
Apr 2015

First of all. Thank you.

Sigh. It is ignored. DU ignores this.

Of course, it is infuriating that they should have to. The real question is
why don't people understand the anger?




It makes perfect sense, IMO woman are losing a great deal of ground and in many cases the loss of ground is life threatening where health issues are concerned.

I think since most of the really dangerous attacks in the war on women is state based GOP legislation spreading like wild fire. The only solution in my opinion is for the federal government to get involved, much as they had to during the not to terribly long ago civil rights era when states were using similar tactics against PoC


Please butt in! We have never agreed on anything, yet~ I have been asking forever for a mans voice here in support of women's rights. I have said over and over, we all have a woman in our life. Mom, sister, wife, daughter....more.


It is not my intention to but into women's issues (being a man) but we are all people and half of the people are being attacked and I love and have loved many of this half of our population starting with the first one I ever met, my mother.


I am not the Op, yet as a woman I so thank you for your response. Women, we matter.

Thank you so very much, your support can save a womans life.. dragonfli.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
9. I guess we do.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 12:11 AM
Apr 2015

This is why I have no one on ignore, love to see it unfold~

Thank you for your support and to your mom...

niyad

(113,259 posts)
12. thank you!! you are not butting in, men have women in their lives about whom
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 12:12 PM
Apr 2015

they care. one would think that would be obvious, but, sadly, even on this board, that isn't so.

your idea of the national guard escorts is interesting. would make those damned clinic protestors take notice.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
20. I don't know why every time I brink up that idea people look at me like I have two heads
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 04:04 PM
Apr 2015

or I am crazy (with the exception found in this thread). It seems like a no brainer to me.
Those protesters are akin to the same ones that used to line up to oppose people of color trying to go to school, they deserve to be held back by authorities and treated the same IMO.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. Because ...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 03:02 PM
Apr 2015
Of course, it is infuriating that they should have to. The real question is why don't people understand the anger?


(per DU) You must understand ... this ... and racism ... and heterosexism ... will all go away, once income equality is achieved. Until then, asking such questions is divisive, and frowned upon.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
19. I am one of the strongest proponents of economic justice posting here, i disagree with
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 03:59 PM
Apr 2015

that straw man. Many simply feel that we can and should have both social AND economic justice, I don't like being asked to choose, they go hand in hand.

Those hardest hit by economic injustice are minority and women as an example, I don't see how fighting for a fair economic deal in any way negates fighting for equal rights for all.

I do not believe you can even have one without the other. I live in a very poor part of town, my neighbors are almost entirely PoC. Economic justice would help all of us here, why do you wish to imply we must fight for one and not the other when they are so intertwined that it would be impossible to do so?

Some politicians ask us to choose, they are not our friends.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. But ...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 04:08 PM
Apr 2015
Many simply feel that we can and should have both social AND economic justice, I don't like being asked to choose, they go hand in hand.


It is NOT PoC or women saying:

If you don't understand that income equality is THE problem; then, YOU are the problem.

(An actual DU quote ... posted, then deleted, and spoken of no more)


why do you wish to imply we must fight for one and not the other when they are so intertwined that it would be impossible to do so?


I'm not! I do, however, resist when I am told that one (the social) is less pressing than the other, though.

Some politicians ask us to choose, they are not our friends.


Agreed ... and some DU don't ask, they demand. That was my point.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
22. Sounds like you need to take that up with the poster saying that
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 04:13 PM
Apr 2015

Broad brushing those that care about economic issues is not the way to go IMO.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
23. I did ... I do ... and I will ...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 05:23 PM
Apr 2015

take it up with that DUer. My point for posting what I did is because that DUer is not unique in his opinion or presentation.

At some point, pointing out observations cease to be "broad brushing" ... I see that point as having been reached when some of DU's "Pillars" post income equality primacy posts and that post receives 100s of Recs.

What say you?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
24. I say that I do not see what you do, but perhaps my perspective is skewed because three
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 07:53 PM
Apr 2015

People in my neighborhood were rendered homeless this winter, and I am poor. I see a movement that would seek economic justice and applaud it, financially comfortable people seldom see income inequality as important.

I wish personally that you would support economic justice as well as social justice just as I do, but not being poor perhaps you just don't much care about that aspect of fighting the good fight.

I see all these issues as not just a hobby but an imperative, women will die over hatred, minorities will die over hatred, people like me will die after becoming homeless and stuck outside in a winter in Buffalo.

The bigots will continue to thrive, the misogynists will continue to thrive and the vampirific 1%ers will continue to suck our blood if we do not at least try to stop them all, and on each front, what you believe you see is non existent as far as I can tell, a couple of assholes that don't realize they can chew bubble gum and walk at the same time but the rest caring about economic issues because they are important, each separate cause should be supported by us all, yet there will be those that specialize in fighting one as a main focus while still supporting the other issues that others focus on as their specialty.

What say I? You are wasting your time on division and personal dislikes of a few posters better left ignored. I also say this entire sub-thread is an unnecessary distraction from what I view to be an excellent OP about an issue that is becoming critical and I wish you would have chosen another time and place to play "I want to fight with the progressive".

I would really appreciate it if you would post more in support of this OP and argue with me about the need or lack thereof of fighting for economic justice in a more appropriate thread. That's what say I.


(edited to add, I should not have butted in here, my post and presence has only appeared to act as a catalyst for derailment of the OP, I will reduce future damage by keeping my thoughts to myself)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
25. I think you have me twisted ...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 08:13 PM
Apr 2015

If you think I do not support both economic AND social justice.

ETA: But that said ... peace.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
7. Kick...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 12:07 AM
Apr 2015

already rec'ed. See my response to another poster.

I am in stunned, something changed here? If so, it is for the better.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. What REALLY gets them angry is the men who think they have all of the power....
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 12:46 AM
Apr 2015

....and can decide for others based on their mood.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
13. not only based on their mood, but on their blind, hateful ignorance, just like
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 12:13 PM
Apr 2015

the "abortion pill is reversible" nonsense in arizona.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
18. I live in Arizona ...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 03:18 PM
Apr 2015

and have read such headlines ... but have referred to read the article because I'm afraid the stupid might seep into my head.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
27. how such ignorant people think they have a right to make rules and laws on
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 09:16 PM
Apr 2015

subjects about which they know nothing, and willfully know nothing, is almost beyond me.

I agree, don't read the articles--I did, and it was most painful (mostly to the people around me listening to me scream!)

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
11. Mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. And I'm not waiting on the back burner
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 12:59 AM
Apr 2015

for "my time to come after everyone else gets theirs" either.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
16. Kick, kick, kick.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 01:56 PM
Apr 2015

Did you see TygerBrights thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026449683

10,000+ years and we still haven't figured this out. Humanity needs to grow up, and by that I mean men need to get their crap together already.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
28. I have not been online the last couple of days, so I thank you for pointing this one
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 09:21 PM
Apr 2015

out to me. a most excellent read.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
26. We should jail all the men to get women pregnant
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 08:18 PM
Apr 2015

Then refuse to take responsibility and leave the women and child(ren) to struggle and live in abject poverty.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
29. a most excellent thought, but the damned woman-hating, pro-forced birthers in
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 09:22 PM
Apr 2015

our legislatures will never do that.

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