Did the Stigma of Poverty Drive This Couple to Suicide
Did the Stigma of Poverty Drive This Couple to Suicide
The deaths of Jodi and Randy Speidel illustrate how weak our safety net really is.
Greg Kaufmann May 6, 2015
Jodi and Randy Speidel, a couple in their mid-40s, taped a note to the front door of their one-bedroom rental home warning visitors of carbon monoxide. They let their three cats outdoors and wrote a note attesting that their next decision was a mutual one. Then, in their locked bedroom, they lit two charcoal grills and committed suicide.
The couples 20-year-old daughter had recently turned to gofundme.com to seek assistance for her parents, The Columbus Dispatch reported. Describing them as the hardest-working people I know, she wrote, now that they literally cannot work anymore, they have nowhere to turn to.
Chronic illnesses had forced both to stop working. They had lived without heat all winter and without water for a week. Jodi had applied for assistance and was waiting for a response. She had turned to food banks but was struggling to cook without water. They were down to $33 in savings.
Jodi herself sought help from gofundme.com and giveforward.com. She in fact signaled a little hopewriting that she had found a job that is willing to work with my illnesses. But she also described driving more than 30 miles on gas fumes and not knowing if she would make it back home or even there.
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Journeyman
(15,031 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)That would have solved everything.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)Some background: my brother owns a very successful bulk retail liquid propane gas business in PA. My dad owned the same kind of business for many decades, and my brother began working for him right out of high school. In 1990, my dad, then age 63, got an offer from another company to buy the business. The company agreed to provide a good job for my brother, and the buy-out would give my parents an opportunity to retire in relative comfort. So Dad took the offer, retired, and my brother worked for the new company. In the ensuing years, the company that bought my father out was itself sold, and sold again. My brother continued to work in the business for each successive company, but by the last time around, was pretty unhappy. My parents both passed at the end of 2000, and less than 9 months later, my brother was laid off. As it happened, he had a good chunk of money on hand, partly from his own savings, but a good deal of it from a life insurance policy from my parents. He decided immediately he would go into business for himself. With that money, he was able to buy the land for a propane plant. He qualified for an SBA loan, and a local bank, which had dealt with my father for many, many years, was readily willing to extend additional financing to him. He enrolled at Penn State in some continuing ed classes related to business start-ups. He was able to take his time starting up, and was able to do it right. Long story short, he put a lot of work into it, and is now reaping the rewards. And that's terrific.
So, some months back, we were having a discussion about politics, the economy, etc. He had bought into right-wing rhetoric about how unemployment insurance encourages people not to work, etc., etc. And then he said, "Well, when I lost my job, I started my own business, there's nothing stopping these folks from doing the same, blah, blah, blah." You get the idea. So I pointed out to him that not everybody is in a position to do what he did. When he asked what I meant, I pointed out the following:
- not everybody is laid off at a time when they happen to have $100 grand or so on hand from a life insurance payout;
- not everyone who loses a job has 30 years of experience in a particular business that they can parlay into a business of their own, and not everyone is cut out to own and operate a business;
- my brother had a ready-made customer base from the days when my Dad had his business. They had been dealing with my Dad, and my brother, for decades, and they continued to have dealings with my brother after the successive companies bought the business. Although he was barred from soliciting those customers directly, the local newspaper ran an article about the "re-opening" of Kessinger Propane -- a name they knew from way back -- and as a result, customers began coming to him right from the beginning. He is well-known and well-liked in the area (a rural area, with a population of only about 40,000 across the entire county).
- not everybody who starts a business can expect the kind of good will my brother received on the part of the local bank, based on the bank's dealings with my father.
I pointed out that none of that detracts from the work he contributed towards making his business a success, and yes, he has every right to be proud of himself for his success. But I also pointed out that these factors represented a very significant 'head start' on that success. I don't know if I ultimately changed his mind, but he conceded I had a good point, so I guess that's a start!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I ran into someone that was acting like his world was coming to an end because he got fired.
He didn't WANT to move back home with his rich parents and he just couldn't imagine trying to survive on his trust fund which only paid two grand a month.
This is the same guy that had his dad buy him a thrift store as a gag gift for his birthday.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)FROM https://www.giveforward.com/fundraiser/8hg7
My husband and myself both have chronic illnesses.
His are close to putting him out of work and mine did put me out of work for a very long time. I finally have found a job that is willing to work with my illnesses and they are confidant I will be able to do. I drove 30+ miles to do the orientation yesterday on gas fumes and not know if I would make it back home or even there. Luckily I did make it home only to find an eviction notice on our front door. We managed to give them $500 today and they are wanting more by the first. In giving them the $500, we were left, literally, with $33 to make it through the week with only 2 night's of dinners (No breakfast or lunch), the 3 cats we have on their last bowl of cat food, my husband needing to get back and forth to work this coming week (here in town) and me needing to get back and forth to work that is around 20 miles away.
We have been living without water for just over a week now, close to having electric shut off and cable, phone, and internet, well let's just say I am praying I make it to getting this posted before the shut us off. I am going to have to check if anybody is wonderful enough to help us from the library. We have gone all winter without gas to heat out home. Times have truly been tough but, I am starting to see a small bit of light at the end of this long tunnel, as long as we are able to pull through a little longer until I start getting paid in a couple of weeks. I have turned in every direction possible and don't know what else to do. If you can help we will be forever grateful and will even pay you back once we get back on our feet. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
marble falls
(57,073 posts)is stacked, I think this is more common than we know. I remember a scene from a movie with an very old blind man living an alone life in a very remote Texas asking a rare passing stranger to shoot him because his son went off to a VA hospital to die and no one knew he was there.
That people are so beaten that there is no reason to go on should be a clear sign things are terribly broken and austerity has not worked in spite of the 5% being wealthier than ever.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)1. If they had a chronic illness would they be eligible for SSDI ?
2. If the daughter was 20 years old couldn't she get a job that would have helped?
3. Surely the daughter could have done something to help them.