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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:10 PM May 2015

Have some respect — also for the Greeks, please!

By Ingeborg Beugel
Source: Roarmag.org
May 14, 2015

As a former correspondent in Greece I am still regularly invited to radio and TV shows in the Netherlands, or to give lectures or talks about the Greek debt crisis somewhere in the country. The latter are usually organized by some kind of foundation or organization of “Hellenophiles.” In addition to Dutch lovers of Greek culture and parents of children who are married to Greeks and who live somewhere in Hellas, those in attendance often include Greeks (and their partners) living in the Netherlands.

Lately, more than ever, I find myself presented at these type of gatherings with deeply unpleasant anecdotes. The stories of Dutch citizens refusing to pay their bills after eating and drinking at Greek tavernas because “they’ve already given enough money to the Greeks by now” have been circulating for some years, and even made it into the national newspapers. But now I find myself being approached by concerned mothers and fathers of half-Greek children who tell me that their daughters or sons have come home from school angry, sometimes even in tears, because their economics teacher, for instance, would unabashedly depict the Greeks as lazy, unreliable, tax-dodging profiteers who can’t be trusted to live up to their agreements and who are threatening the very survival of the EU, and because the teacher would profess, with full conviction, that kicking Greece out of the eurozone is the only solution — the faster the better.

When those half-Greek kids oppose such contentions in class, recounting the stories of their family members in Greece who barely have enough money to buy food, trying to explain that Greece has in fact been extremely “reliable” for the past five years in terms of sticking to the bailout agreements — only to find the public debt rising and the economy reduced to shambles — they were simply laughed at and publicly humiliated. After class, such rituals would often be repeated at the schoolyard. And things are getting worse, they say.

Ever since Syriza won the Greek elections in January, ever since the “messenger boys from Brussels” (the old parties ND and PASOK) disappeared from the Greek political scene, ever since the media developed its obsession with the striking new Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis, ever since the new Greek government desperately began trying to do something – however piecemeal it may be — to soften Merkel’s stance and to overturn the catastrophic austerity measures and reforms of the Troika (EU, ECB and IMF), it has become commonplace to openly and shamelessly despise and humiliate Greek people.


Full article: https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/have-some-respect-also-for-the-greeks-please/

Assholes.
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Have some respect — also for the Greeks, please! (Original Post) polly7 May 2015 OP
How thoroughly reprehensible... Mr_Jefferson_24 May 2015 #1
Hopefully this is a bit... Mr_Jefferson_24 May 2015 #2
Thank you ......... I wasn't aware of this. polly7 May 2015 #3
Thank you for this post. potone May 2015 #4
And you capture the difference in one apt word. Igel May 2015 #5
You're welcome... Mr_Jefferson_24 May 2015 #6
It is always good in a negotiation to have a few other options ... bemildred May 2015 #7

Mr_Jefferson_24

(8,559 posts)
1. How thoroughly reprehensible...
Thu May 14, 2015, 02:48 PM
May 2015

...that an economics teacher could get away with targeting youngsters with such deceitful shaming propaganda.

The parents of those Greek children should be raising all Hell with the school over this.

Mr_Jefferson_24

(8,559 posts)
2. Hopefully this is a bit...
Thu May 14, 2015, 03:17 PM
May 2015

...of good news:

The Greek prime minister was invited to join the BRICS after a phone call conversation with Russian Finance Vice-minister Serguéi Storchak, RT reported.

Tsipras has shown interest in the proposal and will join the BRICS countries in June at the forum in St. Petersburg to discuss the possibility.

If Greece agrees to join the new Development Bank, the country would become its sixth member alongside Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

The BRICS Development Bank is a new initiative that will help BRICS member states lessen their dependence on the IMF.


Source: http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Greece-Invited-to-Join-New-BRICS-Development-Bank-20150512-0039.html

polly7

(20,582 posts)
3. Thank you ......... I wasn't aware of this.
Thu May 14, 2015, 03:46 PM
May 2015

Great news, I've been so worried about them having no other options than what's been tried to be shoved down their throats. After such brutal, deadly austerity, they deserve the ability to prosper just as any other nation without being owned by those who see the poorest of the poor and what's left of the middle class as expendable, as long as their predatory loans are in place.

potone

(1,701 posts)
4. Thank you for this post.
Thu May 14, 2015, 04:57 PM
May 2015

AS a Hellenist who has spent a great deal of time in Greece what has happened to that country pains me deeply. What people do not seem to understand is that for all of the long-standing inefficiencies of the Greek government, their debt situation is not entirely their fault, and the remedy has been worse than the disease. If the issue were really about restoring growth, the Troika wouldn't be targeting things like pensions, but the wealthy who evade taxes. Nor would they do things such as refuse to cancel orders that the Greeks cannot afford for military equipment from German and French companies. No, this is about disaster capitalism and the selling off of precious national resources at fire sale prices. The whole thing enrages me, not least because of the hypocritical moralizing that the Greeks have had to endure. The anti-Greek propaganda revealed in this article is a way of getting the people of other countries not to question why private debt has been shifted onto the public. Austerity is coming for us all.
OK, I'll stop ranting now. Have a good day!

Igel

(35,300 posts)
5. And you capture the difference in one apt word.
Thu May 14, 2015, 08:11 PM
May 2015

Their debt situation isn't entirely their fault.

It to a significant degree is their fault.

From the Syriza perspective, it is entirely not their fault. Therefore, they deserve just good things.

From some European perspectives, it is entirely their fault. Therefore, they deserve just bad things.

Inefficiencies, lack of an adequate taxation system, etc., etc., led to a lot of loans. The government made things worse and the Europeans loaned good money after bad. So the blame is shared.

That's where things have to start. Instead the Greeks face hypocritical moralizing. And, in turn--and in some quarters, simultaneous with the onset of the northern-tier Europeans' moralizing--hypocritically moralize.

I am not outraged. Nor do I feel like defending either side or advocating for them. Strong emotion and advocacy, I find, tends to push me into acting or at least speaking in solidarity with one group or the other, and "solidarity" typically carries with it a large dollop of confirmation bias and group-think.

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