Donald Trump isn't rich because he's a great investor. He's rich because his dad was rich.
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"It takes brains to make millions," according to the slogan of Donald Trump's board game. "It takes Trump to make billions." It appears that's truer than Trump himself might like to admit. A new analysis suggests that Trump would've been a billionaire even if he'd never had a career in real estate, and had instead thrown his father's inheritance into a index fund that tracked the market. His wealth, in other words, isn't because of his brains. It's because he's a Trump.
In an outstanding piece for National Journal, reporter S.V. Dáte notes that in 1974, the real estate empire of Trump's father, Fred, was worth about $200 million. Trump is one of five siblings, making his stake at that time worth about $40 million. If someone were to invest $40 million in a S&P 500 index in August 1974, reinvest all dividends, not cash out and have to pay capital gains, and pay nothing in investment fees, he'd wind up with about $3.4 billion come August 2015, according to Don't Quit Your Day Job's handy S&P calculator. If one factors in dividend taxes and a fee of 0.15 percent which is triple Vanguard's actual fee for an exchange-traded S&P 500 fund the total only falls to $2.3 billion.
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But if you compare Trump's performance since 1982, when the stock market started to take off after the early-'80s recession, it looks pretty abysmal. Forbes estimated that Trump was worth $200 million that year. If he'd put that money in an index fund that year at a 0.15 percent fee, he'd have $6.3 billion today after dividend taxes, almost certainly more than he actually does. This jibes with analyzes prior to Dáte's which have found that Trump has underperformed compared with the market since 1988; an AP analysis found that if he'd put his money in an index fund that year, he'd have $13 billion today; the S&P calculator similarly suggested he'd have $11.3 billion, after fees and dividend taxes.
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But the exact numbers aren't the point. The point is that after decades of touting his business acumen, his ability to negotiate tough deals and spot good investments, and after spending this entire campaign season arguing that he's qualified for the presidency based on his skills in the market, Trump nonetheless has an investment record that at best roughly matches and at worst underperforms the market. He did only as well or possibly worse than a retiree with a Vanguard 401(k) did.
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/2/9248963/donald-trump-index-fund
napi21
(45,806 posts)money through his own efforts, mostly real estate. I sure don't want him as president, but I give him credit for being a good business man.
Raster
(20,998 posts)"But the exact numbers aren't the point. The point is that after decades of touting his business acumen, his ability to negotiate tough deals and spot good investments, and after spending this entire campaign season arguing that he's qualified for the presidency based on his skills in the market, Trump nonetheless has an investment record that at best roughly matches and at worst underperforms the market. He did only as well or possibly worse than a retiree with a Vanguard 401(k) did.
Reread the entire article. Most of Trump's so-called business acumen is not that great. I give tRump credit for being his own biggest fan. That's about it.
KT2000
(20,567 posts)he claims to be wealthy but he had millions discharged in at least four bankruptcies. Throughout all of that he always presented himself as wealthy - but at whose expense?
I really doubt he is that wealthy - he is just good at playing the part or working the system so that when he loses, others take the loss, not him.
I wasn't born with millions and I've never stepped into bankruptcy court.
Trump is just another born-rich asshole who gamed the system, fucked the taxpayers, and acts like he earned it all with hard work. Fucker's never worked a day in his life.
JI7
(89,239 posts)orange you glad
(50 posts)If not for Daddy, Trump would be in a touring carnival, with people paying five bucks to see the alien creature masquerading as his hair.
Skittles
(153,104 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,131 posts)He went broke in the 90s and had to borrow $20 Million from his siblings to stay afloat.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)He's no self-made man. Just another asshole born on third base and think's he hit a triple. (Thanks Ann Richards!)