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The shady group that played Pope Francis
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/05/the-shady-group-that-played-pope-francis.html?The inconsistencies with the Liberty Counsels story were infuriatingly apparent from go. For example, Staver told CBS that Francis definitely knew who Kim Davis was, before their meeting: Pope Francis, he said, has been following the story of Kim Davis and obviously is very concerned about religious liberty, not just in the United States, but worldwide. But in an interview with Time, Staver said that he didn't know if Francis knew who his client was, but he assumed the pope had heard of her because her story has been published worldwide. The Vatican quickly realized they had to weigh in. Admitting that Francis had some brief encounter with Davis, the statement from the Holy Sees press office made clear that the meeting should not be considered a form of support for Daviss refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Moreover, the Vatican didnt even consider Davis a real audience, saying she was just one of dozens paraded in front of the pontiff at the Vatican embassy.. . .This kind of deceptive wordplay isnt a new game to the Liberty Counsel. Just last month they pulled something similar. Imagine this, they said. Tens of thousands of Christian opponents of gay marriage filling a field in Peru, for the sole purpose of lifting up Kim Davis, their sister in Christ, in prayer as she wages war on gay pagans. You can, in fact, imagine this because the Liberty Counsel, Daviss legal representation promised that it happened. There are even pictures to prove it, they said. Except, that story wasnt true either. The picture of a 100,000-strong rally in Peru that the Liberty Counsel tweeted out to prove that there was global support for their client was actually from a prayer rally from May 2014. It had absolutely nothing to do with Davis.
. . .The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies the Liberty Counsel as a hate group. Importantly, the SPLC does not classify religious groups as hate groups simply because they believe or preach that homosexuality is sinful (religious groups have a protected right to that belief) but because they propagate known falsehoods, and often employ groundless name-calling. . . .When it comes to anti-LGBT hate groups, said a representative of the Human Rights Campaign, the Liberty Counsel is in a class of their own. The HRC has long followed the Liberty Counsel, noting that the group supports despicable anti-LGBT criminalization laws abroad, compares being LGBT to drug addiction, and defends the abusive and scientifically discredited practice of so-called conversion therapy. The Counsels involvement with Davis, said the spokesperson, is merely the latest in a deplorable, decades-long record of attacking LGBT people, their dignity, and their rights.
The Liberty Counsels intentions with Francis werent spiritual or religious. They were merely political. Everything about that meeting was calculated to further Stavers anti-gay agenda. . . . At the end of the day, the Liberty Counsel is after political expediency. They play people, they use their clients like pawns to accomplish their agendas without so much as an afterthought about how they are hurting their clients lives. . . .True to form, the Liberty Counsel tried to play Francis. They knew that the Vatican, even if they wanted to, couldnt throw Davis under the bus. First, Francis is a pastor, and he wouldnt do that. Second, Francis already won himself the ire of plenty of American conservatives for what they consider to be his weak, not-loud-enough stance against homosexuality. Did Francis really want to risk driving those conservatives even further away from the church? It was as if the Liberty Counsel drove Francis into a corner, and dared him to call their bluff. Unfortunately for the Liberty Counsel, he did. And he did it gloriously.
Remember how the Vaticans official statement said Davis wasnt a real audience for the pope because he only had one of those? Well, that audience was with none other than Franciss former student, who is gay, and his partner of 19 years. CNN broke the news in an exclusive interview with Yayo Grassi, the gay student. While theres no video took back up Daviss storywhich will no doubt change several more times, as it already hastheres video of the Pope embracing his real audience. He knew both men were gay, and partnered. He didnt use the moment to pray for their conversion to heterosexuality, or to give them a brochure on the ex-gay movement, or to lecture them on church teaching about sexuality. He welcomed them. He embraced them. He kissed them on the cheek. He smiled with them.Is that meeting proof that Francis wants to change church teaching on homosexuality? No. But it is evidence of Pope Franciss characterthat in spite of his institutions historical mistreatment of LGBT people, the judgment stops with him. Thats who Pope Francis is.
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The shady group that played Pope Francis (Original Post)
MBS
Oct 2015
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msongs
(67,394 posts)1. let's just ignore the fact that the pope and kim davis share the same views and focus on baloney
like the pope being hoodwinked. lookit over there, pie!
zalinda
(5,621 posts)2. Okay, we get it that you hate the guy. n/t