Discussions of Touch Screen voting machines and computer INsecurity -

[Baobab]

"How I bought used voting machines on the Internet"

https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/avc

https://citp.princeton.edu/research/voting/

https://citp.princeton.edu/research/votingsummary

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/

“In an age of electronic banking and online college degrees, why hasn’t the rest of the nation gone to voting on touchscreen computers? The reason is simple and resonates with the contentious debate that has yet to be resolved after at least 15 years of wrangling over the issue of electronic voting. No one has yet figured out a straightforward method of ensuring that one of the most revered democratic institutions—in this case, electing a U.S. president—can be double checked for fraud, particularly when paperless e-voting systems are used.”
– Scientific American, Jan. 9, 2012

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There is no substitute for the optically readable randomized, but numbered paper ballots and transparent locked ballot boxes and physical security.

Canada uses one simple optically based system for the entire country.

[ladjf]

1. Any solid programmer could rig the very simple computer components of the voting systems.

The necessary expertise isn't the point. It's the inexplicable lack of tight security that allows fraud
to be committed. I've argued about this point for years on DU to no avail. It is obvious that the powers that run both parties do not seem to want "security". And, if that's the case, there is only two
logical explanations, (1) it's not possible to rig the computer voting systems or (2) certain people involved with computer voting are criminally tampering with the system voting results.

"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it might be a duck". (Excuse the minor paraphrase.)

The cost of securing the voting process would be substantial but, the cost of not securing would be
exponentially greater. Right now, large percentages of people distrust the Government and it's processes. The least we could do would be to "nail down" the vote counting process.

Crooks everywhere. It's like living in a sewer. I'm old and I'll will have checked out long before
the final crash occurs. But, it's the young people that I worry about. And don't think that they aren't aware the the older generation is continuing to deprive them of the just portions of America's wealth.
They flock to Bernie because he clarifies in their minds thoughts that are already present.
Read the texts of many of the Heavy Metal songs of 15 years ago. They are mad as hell at the Establishment for "screwing everything up". Check the philosophies if the "Hippies". They knew.

I don't expects the current beneficiaries of the unfair practices to every change one tiny part of their
elaborate "stealing machine" voluntarily. The are sick with an incurable greed. They can't be overthrown like a coup because they own the military and police. Laws: the own the lawmakers almost totally.

But, with some outstanding voting practices, the swarm of young people coming up , joined with older people who also have "skin" in this game could fill the House, Senate. the Supreme Court and Presidency with intelligent, humanistic individuals who could reverse the subverted Governmental structures that are now in place. It happened in France and it could happen here.

If this doesn't take place with the next few years, the outcome will be more horrible than I'm willing to suggest.

[Wilms]

2. You don't even need to intend to steal an election.

You can make a mistake programming the election and wind up with the wrong result.

Bottom line, we really do not "know" who won an election without a serious audit or full hand count.