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ddickey

(34 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:26 PM Feb 2012

The West and Iran—Global Dominance and Possible Consequences of Current Fictions

Current tensions between the West and Iran are slipping into a state of degeneration. With fictions competing for dominance on a global scale, the West and Iran, and its partners, are defining the global discourse. Two fictions are competing—the West's notion of Iran as a dangerous nation intent on developing nuclear weapons and Iran's notion of being bullied, insisting on peaceful ambitions. By narrowing the scope of their respective fictions, the West and Iran, and its partners, are restricting the means of resolving the current tensions.

If situations play out poorly, we could witness conflicts unlike the West's recent forays into Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. As the game for dominance continues to spill into public view, the fictions are solidifying, possibly laying the groundwork for conflicts far more catastrophic than recent situations in the Middle East and in Southeast Asia.

Just glance at the situation. Remove the rhetoric and nationalism, forget assessing possible blame for the current situation; simply observe it as it is now and you'll glimpse pieces of a distinct structure: the Western World is attempting to cripple Iran financially; Iran is threatening to close the Straits of Hormuz, a move that could spike global oil prices, thus inflicting damage on an already shaky global economy.

Israel and the West, specifically the United States, are ratcheting up rhetoric aimed at condemning Iran in the eyes of the world, including implied military action; subterfuge—explosions at testing facilities, assassinations of scientists—is spilling outside of Iran now, with recent violence against Israeli diplomats in Thailand and India.

More:

http://www.obsense.org/2012/02/west-and-iranglobal-dominance-and.html#!/2012/02/west-and-iranglobal-dominance-and.html

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The West and Iran—Global Dominance and Possible Consequences of Current Fictions (Original Post) ddickey Feb 2012 OP
I'm sure that many have been paying attention to Putin's warning of any attack on teddy51 Feb 2012 #1
That's what I find troublesome ddickey Feb 2012 #2
great article. This needs to be said whenever the ''threat'' from Iran comes up: yurbud Feb 2012 #3
I agree ddickey Feb 2012 #4
 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
1. I'm sure that many have been paying attention to Putin's warning of any attack on
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:40 PM
Feb 2012

Iran as well. Russia I think would not take kindly to an attack by Israel on Iran and would possibly get involved if the US were to.

ddickey

(34 posts)
2. That's what I find troublesome
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 01:51 PM
Feb 2012

The pieces for a nasty conflict seem to be falling into place, and those banging the war drums seem to be ignoring the nuances of the situation. War with Iran will not be like a war with Afghanistan or Iraq. We should tread cautiously here.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
3. great article. This needs to be said whenever the ''threat'' from Iran comes up:
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 05:10 PM
Feb 2012
http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2007/02/graphs-videos-who-exactly-is-nuclear.html



Ooops! Left out the US & Russia. But in fairness, it's hard for the arsenals of other countries to even show up on the same graph with the top two:



And if you throw in the extra nukes we and the Russians have in mothballs:



Here's a couple of videos that add some real world perspective on those numbers






It’s worth noting that Israel has some nuclear missile submarines too, so if any of their neighbors nuke them, no matter how successfully, Israel could give them a very bad day.

Every world leader knows that not only do we have enough nukes to destroy the whole world several times over, we are the only country who has ever used them. They know that it would be suicidal to nuke us or give a nuke to terrorists to nuke us. That's why the Soviets never attacked us even when they had roughly as many or slightly more nukes than us.

Someone will say the threat of even one nuke going off here is too great. However, the leaders of countries are like chess players. They got into power by being able to accurately predict how their opponents would react to their actions. That's why there are few any examples in history of numerically, technologically, and economically inferior countries launching attacks on a superior country's home turf.

A nuclear attack on us even if successful in itself, would have zero chance of having positive political or economic results for the country that launched it.

ddickey

(34 posts)
4. I agree
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 11:31 AM
Feb 2012

The specter of nuclear warfare is a potent rhetorical tool--and it is a threat that should be tampered, but I think it's more probable that we'll destroy each other piecemeal in massive or continuous conflicts instead of launching nukes.

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