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NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:18 PM Nov 2016

Where is the outrage? TPM - "Still Missing the Horror of Medicare Phaseout"

Trump and his buffoons (Trumpoons?) are tossing so many brightly colored objects in the air each day our media simply can't handle it - and certainly can't triage what is most important to the public. THIS is what is really scaring the shit out of me - one again, Josh Marshall (TPM) is among the very few in the media who is monitoring what should be closely watched. Read below.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/still-missing-it

By JOSH MARSHALL Published NOVEMBER 29, 2016, 12:57 PM EDT

We are hearing more about the Trump/Ryan plan to phase out Medicare and replace it with private insurance and vouchers. But we're still hearing much, much less than about Obamacare or a lot of other issues. Obamacare is super important. Don't get me wrong. But Medicare is a much, much bigger deal. Most DC journalists don't actually understand what's being proposed. You think it's hard getting good insurance when you're 30 or 50? Try getting good private insurance when you're 70 or 80.

Providing health insurance coverage to seniors will unquestionably cost more if run through private insurance. No one who has looked at the comparative data on the cost efficiency of Medicare and private carriers can question this. There's no money savings. Quite the opposite. The only difference is that seniors will pay vastly more out of pocket because the vouchers won't come close to the costs of a policy. The upshot of the Ryan plan is significantly increasing the cost of what society pays for the medical care of seniors and then making seniors pay dramatically more out of pocket. All with none of the bedrock gaurantees Medicare provides.

That's what phasing out Medicare means. Ironically, what Trump and Ryan are proposing is something like Obamacare: you buy your insurance on an exchange and you get some premium support from the government. Obviously, not everyone loves Obamacare. But building an exchange and subsidy adjunct for non-seniors onto an existing and fairly robust private health insurance system is one thing. Creating one from scratch for people who are all pretty much by definition bad risks is close to laughable. Laughable if you're not bankrupted or dying because you couldn't get care.

Remember the other things Medicare significantly guard against. If parents have insupportable medical bills or have no way to pay for care, they go to children. In the absence of any other options, that's how it should be. But that money comes out of other things: buying homes, putting kids through college. The social insurance model of Medicare has positive effects well beyond direct beneficiaries.

Ryan and Trump want to pass a bill to phase out Medicare in just six months.

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Where is the outrage? TPM - "Still Missing the Horror of Medicare Phaseout" (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Nov 2016 OP
Medicare is a very, very popular program. I doubt it will be phased out. Nitram Nov 2016 #1
Just recently I used to hear that Donald Trump is a joke and would never get elected rurallib Nov 2016 #3
If they so much as sneeeze on either program they will be thrown out on their asses in 2018. Nitram Nov 2016 #4
I hope this will get the urgent attention it merits. Tanuki Nov 2016 #2
Trumpoons? kebob Dec 2016 #5

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
1. Medicare is a very, very popular program. I doubt it will be phased out.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:36 PM
Nov 2016

One of the lies about Obamacare that got traction on the right was that it was funded using cuts to Medicare, and conservatives were outraged. Remember the slogan "Hands of my Medicare", the cry of low-information conservatives who didn't know Medicare was a government program?

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
3. Just recently I used to hear that Donald Trump is a joke and would never get elected
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:01 PM
Nov 2016

Social Security and Medicare have been targets #1 and #2 for 80 and 50+ years respectively. If Republicans ever got ahold of the 3 branches of government at one time these programs would be the first to go.

Medicare nor SS will exactly go away. They will be "privatized" and become huge profit centers for insurance companies and Wall Street. For the consumer they will be pretty useless.

This is the first Republican congress / president combo since Herbert Hoover in 1929 per Thom Hartmann. Need I say more?

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
2. I hope this will get the urgent attention it merits.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:42 PM
Nov 2016

This would benefit nobody but the insurance companies, their stockholders, and their multi-millionaire CEOs. Republicans claim to be against redistribution of assets, but this will be a recipe for depletion of a lifetime of savings and the loss of a home to pay medical expenses. We all need to make a lot of noise about this, young and old alike. We are all in this together, and you can be sure the GOP will try to divide people along age lines on this. That will only work if we let it!

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