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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,309 posts)
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 08:44 AM Jul 2017

Doctors raked in cash to push fentanyl as N.J. death rate exploded

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This is a good look at how companies woo doctors to prescribe fentanyl:





Doctors raked in cash to push fentanyl as N.J. death rate exploded

Updated on June 29, 2017 at 10:39 PM Posted on June 29, 2017 at 7:00 AM

BY STEPHEN STIRLING AND ERIN PETENKO
NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

The most powerful opioid ever mass-marketed was designed to ease cancer patients into death. ... It's ideal for that: the drug is fast acting, powerful enough to tame pain that other opioids can't and comes in a variety of easy delivery methods -- from patches to lollipops. ... But a dose the size of a grain of sand can kill you.

Meet fentanyl. It's heroin on steroids. It's killing people in droves. And, in New Jersey, you can get it after having your tonsils removed.

In fact, doctors who treat children's colds and adult's sore knees are prescribing it with alarming frequency, far more than oncologists easing end-of-life cancer pain. ... The surge is stoked by companies that shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to doctors, wining and dining them in hopes of convincing them that their particular brand of fentanyl is the solution to all their patients' pain problems.

Evidently, it's working.
....

Stephen Stirling may be reached at sstirling@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on Twitter @sstirling. Find him on Facebook.

Erin Petenko may be reached at epetenko@njadvancemedia.com. Follow her on Twitter @EPetenko. Find NJ.com on Facebook.
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Doctors raked in cash to push fentanyl as N.J. death rate exploded (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2017 OP
Sometimes fentanyl is the best choice for pediatric hospice patients with mucifer Jul 2017 #1
We have used fentanyl in the ER for decades elias7 Jul 2017 #2
I was talking about oral oxycodone, dilaudid and methadone. mucifer Jul 2017 #4
Right. I was just sharing our experience in the ED elias7 Jul 2017 #6
This is alarmist bullshit. Archae Jul 2017 #3
more woo? Skittles Jul 2017 #5

mucifer

(23,484 posts)
1. Sometimes fentanyl is the best choice for pediatric hospice patients with
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 08:59 AM
Jul 2017

end stage cancer. The great thing is that pediatric cancer survival rates have really gone up. The docs are getting better at the treatment regimens.

Regarding pain management kids sometimes refuse to swallow pills or liquids and needles are scary. They have to be on a moderate amount of oral narcotics before starting the lowest dose of fentanyl patch. We don't use fentanyl as much as we used to. We often go to subcutaneous (very tiny needle that go in the skin and not a vein) infusions. But, still for some cases fentanyl patches are the best choice. We often have children on VERY high doses of narcotics to control pain. The dosing for oral narcotics can be as high or higher than the fentanyl dose.

If the doctors are trained in pain management they can use fentanyl effectively.

All of that said, I can understand why they would take fentanyl off the market. We would lose a tool in our tool box. But, it might need to happen to save more lives.

elias7

(3,991 posts)
2. We have used fentanyl in the ER for decades
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jul 2017

Rapid on, rapid off, primarily used IV/IM for extremely painful conditions, e.g. Long bone fractures, or for adjunct in heavy sedation. Only other form I'm aware of is the 72 hour patch for oncology or chronic pain patients, but I have prescribed that maybe once in the last ten years.

Don't know that there is an oral form.

Kind of confused by the report...I never raked in anything.

mucifer

(23,484 posts)
4. I was talking about oral oxycodone, dilaudid and methadone.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 07:18 PM
Jul 2017

We did use fentanyl once orally for an infant with epidermolysis bullosa but it was the IV form we gave orally. Can't use patches with EB.

elias7

(3,991 posts)
6. Right. I was just sharing our experience in the ED
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 04:26 PM
Jul 2017

I have since looked more into the link, and it seems like the largest perceived problem is in primary care and general pain management. With the oral stuff, limited Rx for obviously painful conditions with objective findings is our rule of thumb, though some docs are getting pretty hard ass and not prescribing narcotics at all.

Archae

(46,301 posts)
3. This is alarmist bullshit.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 06:51 PM
Jul 2017

Just more bullshit about the "opioid epidemic," with alarmist headlines, wild innuendos, and flat-out lies.

Yes. There are those who abuse narcotic painkillers.
There are those who abuse alcohol. Caffeine. Tobacco.

This is just more shit from the hysterics pushing their "War On Drugs" to get more federal and state $$$, (remember the guy in Tula, Texas, who lied about so many blacks and got so much federal money?) and continue the hysterics began by the filthy racist Harry "Dem coloreds iz smokin' plants that get dem high!" Anslinger.

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