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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:55 AM Sep 2017

This is what the flag stands for, Mr. President - The Washington Post Editorial Board

By Editorial Board September 24 at 7:25 PM

IN 1943, with the nation mobilized for war against fascism, schoolchildren in West Virginia were required each morning to salute the American flag. The purpose, seemingly unexceptionable — and in fact not objected to by many — was “teaching, fostering and perpetuating the ideals, principles and spirit of Americanism.”

However, to Jehovah’s Witnesses the flag was an “image,” which, under their religious beliefs, their children were forbidden to salute. Students refused to do so and were expelled from school; parents were prosecuted; eventually, the case reached the Supreme Court.

There, in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, Justice Robert Jackson wrote for a 6-to-3 majority that the state could not compel children to salute the flag. Reversing a court decision from just three years earlier, Jackson wrote, in the midst of war, what remains one of the enduring statements of confidence in what truly makes America great. “To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous, instead of a compulsory routine,” he wrote, “is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds.”

What brings this to mind, of course, is President Trump’s latest bilious eruption. The first inclination, when he starts calling people “sons of b-----s” and waxing nostalgic for days when more concussions were inflicted for the entertainment of football fans, is to look away. It’s embarrassing, after all, to have to explain to the children that we have a president who speaks so rudely. It’s playing into the diversion he may seek when he finds himself flummoxed by Kim Jong Un or Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). And shouldn’t we be worrying about more important things — health care, tax reform, the inundation of Puerto Rico, the dangers of nuclear war? But then, when Mr. Trump tweets that players should “stop disrespecting our Flag & Country,” it becomes clear: In some ways, there is nothing more important than his misguided understanding of how to truly respect the flag. Some NFL players have been participating in a fraught, challenging debate about race, policing and criminal justice, and Mr. Trump is offended by this. His response: fire the players who don’t share his views. Demand conformity and uniformity.

He’s not alone, of course. If he were, Colin Kaepernick would probably have a job by now. But the response to Mr. Trump’s ugly tweets and threats, from players and team owners, reflects an encouraging consensus that the real way to respect the American flag is to respect the diversity of opinion it protects. As games began on Sunday, players, coaches and owners kneeled, linked arms and made statements in others ways. “Our players have exercised their rights as United States citizens in order to spark conversation and action to address social injustice,” San Francisco 49ers owner Jed York said Saturday. “We will continue to support them in their peaceful pursuit of positive change in our country and around the world.”

What’s offensive here is not what Mr. Trump thinks about Mr. Kaepernick. At this point, honestly, who cares? But when the president uses his bully pulpit to declare some speech legitimate and some beyond the pale; when his response to protest is to question patriotism rather than engage on the issue of unequal policing — then it is Mr. Trump who “disrespects our Flag & our Country.”

As Justice Jackson wrote three-quarters of a century ago, “If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-what-the-flag-stands-for-mr-president/2017/09/24/34be7726-a130-11e7-b14f-f41773cd5a14_story.html

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This is what the flag stands for, Mr. President - The Washington Post Editorial Board (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2017 OP
"an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds" Achilleaze Sep 2017 #1
When I was a child growing up in the rural East SF Bay... Louis1895 Sep 2017 #2
Ironically Scalia was spot on on this MosheFeingold Sep 2017 #3
I am a 100% service-connected veteran. Cold War Spook Sep 2017 #4
Great editorial Gothmog Sep 2017 #5

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
1. "an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds"
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:59 AM
Sep 2017

That's the republican-russian take on things. They totally frikken hate free minds, free souls. Sad.

Louis1895

(768 posts)
2. When I was a child growing up in the rural East SF Bay...
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:13 AM
Sep 2017

...I had a classmate, Robin, that was a Jehovah's witness. Every morning when we did the Pledge of Allegiance, she stood quietly, arms at her side. The rest of us placed our hands on our hearts and said the oath. The teacher explained why Robin did not join in the pledge and we all accepted the reason as valid. I remember thinking as a third or fourth grader how great it was that I lived in a country where someone could live their beliefs and not be chastised for not saying the pledge.

We never thought she was being disrespectful.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
3. Ironically Scalia was spot on on this
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:03 AM
Sep 2017

I'm paraphrasing b/c I cannot find the quote, but it was substantially:

"The flag of the United States stands for the right to burn the flag." I believe it was Texas v. Johnson.

That said, I am a veteran and very proud of the USA. The USA not only saved my life, but gave me a place to worship freely and in which not only I, but my family and many, many people prospered. No other country did this.

Yes, the USA has flaws. And sins, both historical and current. Many.

But it is self-correcting unlike any nation of humans since the dawn of time.

The USA had slaves. But it also fought the costliest war of its history -- the Civil War -- to free slaves. Until very recently, more US citizens were killed in that war than all our other wars combined. As the first "modern" war, it destroyed generations of men, with casualty rates not seen until the Soviet Union took on Hitler. That was a hefty price for sin paid in blood and treasure. Those men, and the sacrifices of their families, should be honored.

Anyway, it hurts me, as a veteran, to see people kneel before the flag. No, it pains me. My heart hurts.

I understand the intent of their protest, but that is not the place for it.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
4. I am a 100% service-connected veteran.
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:05 PM
Sep 2017

I am proud of our country especially when I see people peacefully protesting. That is what the flag stand for.

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