Man says Nazis were socialist, gets schooled by history writer

[underpants]

https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001


Mike Stuchbery, a teacher and writer whose passion is History, sought to correct the misconception.

This is quite a long dressing down and is a little foulmouthed. You've been warned.


Mike Stuchbery💀🍷
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@MikeStuchbery_
Ok, dickhead, I did this politely to someone else earlier, but now I'm going to rinse you. Prepare.
Ian Miles Cheong
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Nazis were socialist.

Link to tweet

[Mister Ed]

1. Twitter account now suspended.

Must've offended some right-wing snowflakes.

[rampartc]

2. "but the nazis loved abortion and hated jews just like lib'rals"

this ridiculous idea that the 20th century fascists were liberal originates with a stupid book by jonah goldberg. the notion that hitler was a vegetarian "soi boi" is incredibly prevalent on the right.

[Hav]

3. The account is blocked

But all you need to know is which forces supported and installed him (Conservatives), which parties supported him (Conservatives) and who were the last fighting against him politically (the left) and which political enemies were sent to concentration camps.
The banning of all unions doesn't sound socialist as well.

[sinkingfeeling]

4. Just reading a few of the comments with most claiming Nazis

are socialist based on the party name, tells me there is a huge lack of knowledge about the political spectrum.
Guess that's why so few see the threat of an authoritarian in the US.

[malthaussen]

5. Let's just stipulate this were true, for fun...

... wouldn't that mean that current American Nazis are Socialists, too? And if that were true, why would the Right support them?

-- Mal

[MosheFeingold]

7. I think they support the right

But the right doesn't support them, particularly.

They just use them.

[MosheFeingold]

6. The truth is far more complex

The National Socialists were very much a center left party; and Hitler certainly said many socialists things to get power.

But it was all BS.

They were no more socialists than capitalists. They were powerists.

The only true core guiding principal of fascism is centralization and maximization of power in one or a few.

Fascism can take any path toward that centralized power -- nominal socialism, as it was in Germany.

It could be a religious/monarchy set up like in Japan.

It could be some blend of nominal socialist and crony capitalism, like in Italy and Spain (which eventually just leaned crony capitalist).

Whatever is handy to centralize power. Sometimes it's completely conflicting ideas. It's all just a means to seize and centralize power.

The normal left-right thing we talk about just doesn't fit.

There is at least one more axis on the map -- absolute control at one end toward (small-l) libertarian eventually leading to anarchy on the other.

I am very much a small-l libertarian liberal. I don't trust centralized and strong government. And neither should you. The people in absolute power, regardless of their other leanings (communist, socialist, capitalist, doesn't matter), eventually screw the normal people because bad people eventually take control.

The takeaway on this is to beware strong unaccountable governments.

[modrepub]

9. Answers in mein kamph

Hitler was no real intellectual on any level. A read through his book will tell you that; it’s tediously boring and long winded but that may be due to the German language itself; I find German translations or German speakers hard to read but I have the same issue reading Greek translations

Hitlers world is complex and he’s definitely a creature of his time. He detested the austrohungarian empire and its agglomeration of races, detested the Habsburg dynasty but especially hated the parliamentarians; democracy was a weakness in his mind. I think he disliked Catholics hence his hatred of the Habsburgs and love of the Protestant Prussians. He chose the red field in his flag because he knew it would agitate the communists who he considered the true enemy in alignment with the Jews or judeobolshevists for short. He often praised the Christian Democrats and may have aligned the nazi party with that group early. Any argument that hitler and the nazi party had leftist leanings is laughable in my opinion and easily dispelled by a quick read of hitlers own words and the fact that communists and labor union leaders were the first to be arrested after he took power. That there is still confusion today isn’t surprising in my mind since it’s obvious that few people have read mein kamph including Stalin who was nearly killed over that mistake

[ROB-ROX]

8. All dictatorships and conservatives are RIGHT WING

Therefore Stalin who was a dictator and conservative was NOT a communist except in NAME. The right wing nuts FAIL to realize the fact that any dictator is conservative and right wing. This country has support MANY dictators which were supported and approved since they were CONSERVATIVE and right wing people......