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still_one

(92,061 posts)
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 11:46 AM Aug 2019

Did Jill Stein Help Elect Donald Trump?

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"She has been running for decades for any and every political office in sight — one attempt for a seat in the Massachusetts House, two tries for the governorship of Massachusetts, and now two runs for the White House. Over two decades, she has won only one race — a council seat in the town of Lexington, MA. In all her other political adventures, she did not just lose but fizzled. In her two races for governor of her home state she actually lost ground from one race to the other, going from 3.5 percent of the vote in 2002 to 1.4 percent in 2010. As a presidential candidate in 2016 she managed to grab only 1.1 percent of the vote as a second-time candidate, running against two extremely flawed main party candidates.
If she intended to promote a specific cause or causes Stein was drowned out by the general cacophony of far bigger personalities with fatter bank accounts and clearer messages. There was the teeming horde of Republican primary contenders, many of them famous names with long political careers. There was the Bernie Sanders Road Show with his boisterous young supporters on the left. There was Clinton’s historic run as the first female nominee of a major political party. And there was the three-ring circus of the tabloid celebrity who spoke of himself in the third person and liked to be called “the Donald.” Stein was even overshadowed by another third-party candidate, an inarticulate, and at times
befuddled, campaigner and former New Mexico governor named Gary Johnson, who ran on the Libertarian ticket.

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"Still, it is tempting to ask whether, in the final analysis, Stein’s candidacy, marginal though it was, might have made a difference in the final result. Might, in fact, have helped put Trump in the White House.
The 26 months since the election have shed little light on questions surrounding Stein’s presidential campaign. They have barely been asked, let alone answered. Again, why did she run? Once in the race, why did she not go all out on the pressing issue which gave the Green Party its name and its identity? Instead, her “Green New Deal” served to check off a box rather than as a driving force of her campaign."

Much has been made of the fact that Flynn sat next to Vladimir Putin at that lunch; far less has been made of the fact that Stein sat at the right hand of Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s powerful press secretary, arguably the figurative head of RT, and the man with whom Trump’s operatives were discussing a Trump Tower in Moscow.
Stein has insisted that her campaign paid for the trip, but that merely raises a different question — why waste precious political donations in order to have lunch in Moscow?
On that same trip, Stein took the opportunity to make a campaign video address in the shadows of the Kremlin in which she expounds on the need to constrain “American exceptionalism.”
That is a position that politicians of various stripes could make on any given day, but as it was delivered in Moscow, outside the Kremlin, by a politician who had recently supped with Dmitry Peskov and Putin, the words take on more freight — she was delivering a script that Putin and Peskov could have written themselves.
And that was not Stein’s only message on Russia. Like Trump, she all but mirrored Russia’s own position on Ukraine, castigating the Obama administration for installing a government in Kiev that was “hostile to Russia.” So much for notions of democracy or independent rule among the former Soviet Union states.
If Stein’s actions and pronouncements seemed odd, so did the posture of her political party. The Green Party insists that it is not “just about the environment,” that it has in fact three other equal pillars: social justice, grassroots democracy, and non-violence. So hard is the party trying to distance itself from its fourth pillar (the environment) that the latter is now called “ecological wisdom.”

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The Green Party’s 2016 national convention just happened to be kicked off by Julian Assange, broadcasting from London to the party faithful on a large screen. The date was August 6, a little over two weeks after Assange had dumped over 19,000 hacked Democratic emails in what he proudly called his “Hillary Leaks Series.” The convention hall echoed with chants of “Wikileaks… Wikileaks!”
Someone wandering by might have mistaken the occasion for a Trump rally. And, since the election, Green Party officials have been anything but chagrined at the outcome. Midway through 2017 Sherry Wells, the Green Party’s chairwoman in Michigan, said, “In some ways, Trump is one of the best things to happen to this country because look at how many people are getting off their posteriors. So part of me is giggling.”


https://whowhatwhy.org/2019/01/29/did-jill-stein-help-elect-donald-trump/


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Did Jill Stein Help Elect Donald Trump? (Original Post) still_one Aug 2019 OP
Well since I think she was a Russian stooge exboyfil Aug 2019 #1
Looks like the US Green Party is also a Russian cutout lagomorph777 Aug 2019 #2
or a willing participatant still_one Aug 2019 #3
Yes. RandySF Aug 2019 #4
I'm not sure if it was really her radical noodle Aug 2019 #5
Except Johnson received way more votes than Stein MichMan Aug 2019 #6
My theory is that Johnson's votes customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #7
In everyone of those critical swing states the Democratic nominee lost by less than 1%. Jill Stein still_one Aug 2019 #9
But Republicans that otherwise might have voted for Trump may have MichMan Aug 2019 #10
Stein definitely helped Trump win his narrow electoral college victory SCantiGOP Aug 2019 #8
I agree still_one Aug 2019 #12
Yes. (nt) Paladin Aug 2019 #11
Easy: Yes she did! machoneman Aug 2019 #13
"2016 she managed to grab only 1.1 percent of the vote as a second-time candidate, ... marble falls Aug 2019 #14
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #18
A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump Gothmog Aug 2019 #15
Simple answer Dan Aug 2019 #16
But nobody knows how many Stein votes would have gone to Clinton, thesquanderer Aug 2019 #17
Well, her supporters certainly did. Aristus Aug 2019 #19

MichMan

(11,867 posts)
6. Except Johnson received way more votes than Stein
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 01:05 PM
Aug 2019

A libertarian candidate like Johnson probably received votes that likely would have gone to Trump instead. To suggest that Stein took votes away from Hillary costing her the election, without also considering Johnson's impact is disingenuous.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
7. My theory is that Johnson's votes
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 01:09 PM
Aug 2019

were primarily from Never Trumpers who couldn't bring themselves to vote for either Clinton or Trump.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
9. In everyone of those critical swing states the Democratic nominee lost by less than 1%. Jill Stein
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 01:22 PM
Aug 2019

received 1% of the votes in those states

So-called self-identified progressives didn't vote for Johnson

SCantiGOP

(13,862 posts)
8. Stein definitely helped Trump win his narrow electoral college victory
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 01:19 PM
Aug 2019

Bill Clinton wouldn't have won without Ross Perot, and W Bush wouldn't have won without Nader.

My opinion, backed by numbers and analysis. Won't argue the point, so if you disagree just ignore this.

marble falls

(56,996 posts)
14. "2016 she managed to grab only 1.1 percent of the vote as a second-time candidate, ...
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:13 PM
Aug 2019

running against two extremely flawed main party candidates."

Hillary Clinton was an "extremely flawed candidate"??????

Response to marble falls (Reply #14)

Dan

(3,537 posts)
16. Simple answer
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 12:09 AM
Aug 2019

How does the math work - each state where you captured votes.... and then figure what percentage would have gone to Hillary and Trump. Then its a simple math question.

thesquanderer

(11,971 posts)
17. But nobody knows how many Stein votes would have gone to Clinton,
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 09:28 AM
Aug 2019

vs. how many would have gone to Trump, or how many would have gone to Johnson, or how many of those voters would have just stayed home and not voted.

Aristus

(66,284 posts)
19. Well, her supporters certainly did.
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 01:12 PM
Aug 2019

I've got nothing nice to say about those who continue to insist that Trump and Hillary Clinton are cut from the same cloth.

Anyone with a functioning brain could see that they're not.

The pissy self-righteousness of the third-party fuckheads makes me want to find a window large enough to throw them all out of.

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