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elleng

(130,865 posts)
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 08:56 PM Aug 2019

Carl Sagan pretty much sums it up: "One of the saddest lessons of history is this:

If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

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Carl Sagan pretty much sums it up: "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: (Original Post) elleng Aug 2019 OP
Great quote, from a great human being. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2019 #1
a life changing book. should be required reading. mopinko Aug 2019 #2
Agree. An incredible book. I heard Carl's voice while reading. Not one unnecessary word. Owl Aug 2019 #23
He was great. Passed way too young. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #3
Gone Too Soon colsohlibgal Aug 2019 #4
His wisdom customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #11
Greatly missed paleotn Aug 2019 #22
Bamboozle Harker Aug 2019 #5
Roman history is full of empirical imperial examples. Marcuse Aug 2019 #6
He warned us many times. Nt BootinUp Aug 2019 #7
K n R JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #8
Sagan would have so hated what's happening now FakeNoose Aug 2019 #9
Unfortunately jayschool2013 Aug 2019 #10
Truth! nt Geechie Aug 2019 #19
Kick dalton99a Aug 2019 #12
Another place where Sagan nails it, from the same book: dobleremolque Aug 2019 #13
really elleng Aug 2019 #14
Carl Sagan and the people like him are the types of people we should look to for leadership. Mr. Evil Aug 2019 #15
Yup. Grifters know they're safe: The mark becomes their co-conspirator. n/t TygrBright Aug 2019 #16
A wonderful quote by a very wise person. warmfeet Aug 2019 #17
Or as Samuel Clemens once said.... GeoWilliam750 Aug 2019 #18
And not even impeach the bamboozler Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #20
That's how cult leaders operate.... paleotn Aug 2019 #21

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
4. Gone Too Soon
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 09:44 PM
Aug 2019

I remember eagerly looking forward to and watching “Cosmos “ during its first run, and now have the DVD.

Carl had a way of explaining complicated science to the masses.

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
10. Unfortunately
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 11:04 PM
Aug 2019

Unfortunately, we're not a "Cosmos" country anymore. We're a "Celebrity Apprentice" country.

So unbelievably sad.

dobleremolque

(490 posts)
13. Another place where Sagan nails it, from the same book:
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 02:23 PM
Aug 2019

"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance."

-Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Mr. Evil

(2,840 posts)
15. Carl Sagan and the people like him are the types of people we should look to for leadership.
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 02:41 PM
Aug 2019

He was a great person with a great ability to foresee human trends based on present-day actions. If he was alive today he'd be appalled at what we've become.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
17. A wonderful quote by a very wise person.
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 03:17 PM
Aug 2019

I own this book, as well as nearly every book he authored or co-authored. I have looked up to Carl since the 1970's.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
18. Or as Samuel Clemens once said....
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 05:51 PM
Aug 2019

“It is easier to fool the people, than to convince them they have been fooled."

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
21. That's how cult leaders operate....
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 08:27 PM
Aug 2019

and are able to get their marks to believe crazier and crazier things.

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