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appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:22 PM Aug 2019

Amazon Fires Show World Is Heading For Point of No Return, UN Says

(The Guardian, Aug. 30, '19). The fires in the Amazon are “extraordinarily concerning” for the planet’s natural life support systems, the head of the UN’s top biodiversity body has said in a call for countries, companies and consumers to build a new relationship with nature. Cristiana Paşca Palmer, the executive secretary of the UN Convention on Biological Diversity, said the destruction of the world’s biggest rainforest was a grim reminder that a fresh approach needed to stabilise the climate and prevent ecosystems from declining to a point of no return, with dire consequences for humanity.

“The Amazon fires make the point that we face a very serious crisis,” she told the Guardian. “But it is not just the Amazon. We’re also concerned with what’s happening in other forests and ecosystems, and with the broader and rapid degradation of nature. The risk is we are moving towards the tipping points that scientists talk about that could produce cascading collapses of natural systems.”

The world’s environmental crises are an increasing concern in international politics. Deforestation of the Amazon was high on the agenda of this week’s G7 meeting in Biarritz, France. In September, world leaders will gather in New York for a climate action summit. Next year, they are scheduled to get together again for a nature summit before a UN biodiversity conference in Kunming, China, in October.

Paşca Palmer said: “I am grateful that [French president Emmanuel] Macron gave biodiversity a level of attention that we haven’t seen before. I hope this is not an isolated event at a G7, but that it continues as we move forward and that it will inspire a race to the top for political leaders.” Nature needed to be at the heart of any proposed solution, she said, adding: “We cannot treat this in isolation. We cannot solve climate change without biodiversity.”

For most of the past three decades, the natural world was treated almost as an afterthought by world leaders. If discussed at all, it was with platitudes about the need to save polar bears and tigers. But the collapse of pollinator populations and growing awareness of human dependence on forests and other ecosystems has started to make an impact. This year, the world’s leading scientists warned human civilisation was in jeopardy because forest clearance, land-use shifts, pollution and climate change had put a million species at risk of extinction...

More, http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/amazon-fires-show-world-heading-for-point-of-no-return-says-un/ar-AAGzdHb?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCOMMDHP15



- Record breaking fires rage in the Amazon rainforest.



Climate activist Greta Thunberg arrived in NY by sailboat from the UK, she'll attend climate meetings in the US & Chile.

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Amazon Fires Show World Is Heading For Point of No Return, UN Says (Original Post) appalachiablue Aug 2019 OP
So so sad!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #1
I hate to have to say this, but at this point, Billions of People are likely going to die ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #2
We are the cancer of the planet... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2019 #3
Maybe you'd be surprised, maybe not, but your idea defacto7 Aug 2019 #4
Not promoting a culling, I think nature will take of this problem ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #8
Billions will need to die without replacement The_jackalope Aug 2019 #6
Good paper, mate! mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #7
Yes, overshoot always lowers the carrying capacity The_jackalope Aug 2019 #9
😢 Duppers Aug 2019 #5
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. I hate to have to say this, but at this point, Billions of People are likely going to die ...
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:01 PM
Aug 2019

In fact, the planet pretty much NEEDS Billions of People to die.

Not that I'm jumping onto the sign-up sheet, but ... that's pretty much where a sober assessment of the current predicament ... lands me at ...

I fear it's pretty much too late for 'solar and wind' to save the planet. That solution ... needed to start by the 1980's ... 90's at the LATEST, in Manhattan Project style.

On top of the power sources (windmills, solar cells, nuke plants, etc) being built and installed, and the addt'l AC distribution infrastructure, we also need hundreds of millions of cars, millions of trucks including 18 wheelers, thousands of ships, thousands of airplanes, 10's of thousands of tractors and harvesters, thousands of train engines, 10's of thousands of buses ... just to name the 'big ones' ... (ALL REBUILT or in some cases retrofitted) ... to use electricity instead of fossil fuels ... and that all basically needs done ... a minimum of 10 years ago.

Oh, and did I mention how much fossil fuel would be burned to actually BUILD all that shit?

We're not far off from deciding as a world that there's only 1 solution ... I hate to have to say it ... but that's really where we are ATM.

Feel free to flame away ...

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,721 posts)
3. We are the cancer of the planet...
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:21 PM
Aug 2019

Chemo is needed to save Its life. There are way too many of us, it’s not sustainable. Might have been better but capitalism took over. A closed system, as the planet is, unsustainable capitalism is the death keel.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
4. Maybe you'd be surprised, maybe not, but your idea
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:58 PM
Aug 2019

goes back a couple hundred years. Reducing (culling) humans on the planet has been part of the less familiar motives surrounding the war machine and industrialization by oligarchs. The idea that it was inevitable that humans would eventually destroy themselves and the planet is not a new idea. Some scientists are being asked to consult small groups or individuals who are ultra wealthy on how to survive and protect themselves in the coming chaos. I know of one anthropologist who was asked to speak to a small group and upon arrival was taken aback when asked to speak on payment methods and security when society collapses from an anthropological point of view. Things could have been better but I think the struggle between the elites, the religionists and the humanists going way back has turned annihilation into a self fulfilled prophecy.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
8. Not promoting a culling, I think nature will take of this problem ...
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 08:03 PM
Aug 2019

But people worldwide really need to be seriously discouraged from creating more humans, starting yesterday.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
6. Billions will need to die without replacement
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:36 PM
Aug 2019

Billions will need to die without replacement if we want Homo sapiens to have a sustainable presence on the planet over the long term. In fact, the sustainable number of humans may be no larger than 10 to 50 million hunter foragers.

I did the analysis for that number in this 2013 essay: How Sustainable Are We, Really?

I think we'll achieve that level relatively soon, within a few hundred years or less. The only realistic long-term alternative is extinction.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. Good paper, mate!
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 08:02 PM
Aug 2019

I mean, depressing, but ... good.

Not sure we can count on the 1 sq mi per person number anymore as compared to hunter/gatherer days 50K years ago, we've covered so much land in asphalt and concrete, plus degraded topsoil so much, and dammed up so many rivers and streams (though I suppose those may come down anyway), and polluted the land and water so much ... may need more land per person in that calculation ...

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
9. Yes, overshoot always lowers the carrying capacity
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 08:09 PM
Aug 2019

I tend to think that the figure of 10 million would be fairly safe for us and all other species. If that's still too high, Mother Nature will adjust us down to a workable number. She always does.

Thanks.

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