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Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:51 PM Jan 2020

It just got *a lot* harder for Republicans to vote against witnesses in the impeachment trial

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 9:24 AM ET, Mon January 27, 2020


https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/27/politics/john-bolton-donald-trump/index.html

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(CNN) — The news, first reported by The New York Times Sunday night, that President Donald Trump had told national security adviser John Bolton directly to continue to withhold approved military aid to Ukraine until that country agreed to announce investigations into Democrats, and specifically former Vice President Joe Biden, is an absolute bombshell with the very real possibility of fundamentally altering the calculus for Republican senators in the ongoing impeachment trial.

The accusation is made in a draft manuscript of Bolton's time in the Trump White House and, for the first time, would provide -- if confirmed -- direct evidence that Trump not only personally ordered the hold but did so to target the leading Democratic candidate against him in 2020. Bolton's claim -- again, if confirmed -- would be a smoking gun for Trump's use of his office for personal and political gain. Period.

Which brings us to the debate within the Senate over whether any witnesses will be allowed to testify in the trial of Trump and, if so, who. Prior to the Bolton news on Sunday, GOP sentiment seemed to be leaning away from allowing witnesses, with Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, a key swing vote, offering criticism of the manner and style used by the House Democratic impeachment managers to make their case.

While official Washington is still processing the Bolton news, it's hard to see both the accusation and the initial reaction to it not altering that voting calculus for Republicans.Here's why: There now exists a credible claim made by a longtime figure in Republican politics and the conservative movement that, if proven out, directly implicates the President of the United States in a quid pro quo. This isn't Lev Parnas, a somewhat shady Ukrainian businessman under criminal indictment, Which brings us to the debate within the Senate over whether any witnesses will be allowed to testify in the trial of Trump and, if so, who.

Prior to the Bolton news on Sunday, GOP sentiment seemed to be leaning away from allowing witnesses, with Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, a key swing vote, offering criticism of the manner and style used by the House Democratic impeachment managers to make their case. Here's why: There now exists a credible claim made by a longtime figure in Republican politics and the conservative movement that, if proven out, directly implicates the President of the United States in a quid pro quo. This isn't Lev Parnas, a somewhat shady Ukrainian businessman under criminal indictment, Republican senators might be OK with dismissing. It's a hell of a lot harder to dismiss someone with the resume of Bolton.

"I NEVER told John Bolton that the aid to Ukraine was tied to investigations into Democrats, including the Bidens," Trump tweeted early Monday. "In fact, he never complained about this at the time of his very public termination. If John Bolton said this, it was only to sell a book."

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It just got *a lot* harder for Republicans to vote against witnesses in the impeachment trial (Original Post) Stuart G Jan 2020 OP
House Democrats were given a HUGE gift by John Bolton..... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2020 #1
Your words exactly, "..objection by Senate Republicans will surely substantiate a cover-up" Stuart G Jan 2020 #3
Through their lies, they appear visibly shaken C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #2
At this point the question arises, "How do you defend a crook and a constant liar?" Stuart G Jan 2020 #4
So far the answer Kaiserguy Jan 2020 #5
This reminds me of 15th century church defending that the earth was the center of the universe. Stuart G Jan 2020 #6

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,784 posts)
1. House Democrats were given a HUGE gift by John Bolton.....
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jan 2020

This is not over my friends. Donald Trump's troubles just got worse.

Any objection by Senate Republicans will surely substantiate a cover-up.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
3. Your words exactly, "..objection by Senate Republicans will surely substantiate a cover-up"
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jan 2020

Those are your words, and those words are total truth. What Senate Republicans do is up to them. My guess is that a few will want testimony from Bolton, but ...most will object to any testimony at all
...No testimony at all, means ..NO BOLTON...

...Most Senate Republicans have loyalty to Trump & McConnell, not the United States of America. When Bolton's testimony is rejected, as it might be, (or will be) then those who can observe even a little, will know the truth. Many "true believers" want no testimony at all. Those want lies instead of truth. That is how the Republicans operate.

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
2. Through their lies, they appear visibly shaken
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jan 2020

Seems they're still clinging to defending Trump at any expense... but they just may begin to realize that their careers and reputations are the price.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
4. At this point the question arises, "How do you defend a crook and a constant liar?"
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jan 2020

..It may be that Trump lied once too many times for most of us. Yes, some will still believe Trump. But, who will most believe? Trump or Bolton? The answer is obvious: 60 to 70% will believe Bolton. No one trusts Trump to tell the truth, except "true believers"

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
5. So far the answer
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:16 PM
Jan 2020

has been. With no problem. Party first and to Hell with America is what they stand for.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
6. This reminds me of 15th century church defending that the earth was the center of the universe.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:20 PM
Jan 2020

I read about that years ago. Turns out the church..."lied."

How could that be?

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