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limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
Fri May 4, 2012, 05:57 AM May 2012

A Complete Guide to 'Hipster Racism'

by Lindy West

There's been a lot of talk these last couple of weeks about "hipster racism" or "ironic racism"—or, as I like to call it, racism. It's, you know introducing your black friend as "my black friend"—as a joke!!!—to show everybody how totally not preoccupied you are with your black friend's blackness. It's the gentler, more clueless, and more insidious cousin of a hick in a hood; the domain of educated, middle-class white people (like me—to be clear, I am one of those) who believe that not wanting to be racist makes it okay for them to be totally racist. "But I went to college — I can't be racist!" Turns out, you can.

People benefit from racism—hell, I benefit from it every day—and things that benefit powerful people don't just suddenly get "fixed" and disappear because Halle Berry won an Oscar or whatever. Modern racism lives in entrenched de facto inequalities, in coded language about "work ethic" and"states' rights," in silent negative spaces like absence and invisibility, and in Newt Gingrich's hair. And in irony.

-snip-

So racism went underground. Sure, you can't say racist things anymore but you can pretend to say them! Which, it turns out, is pretty much the exact same thing. There are a couple of strains of "ironic racism" making the rounds right now, and a couple of typical defenses.

1. "Tee-Hee, Aren't I Adorable?" This category includes things like wide-eyed acoustic covers of hip-hop songs, suburban white girls flashing gang signs, and this Tweet from Zooey Deschanel: "Haha. RT @Sarabareilles: Home from tour and first things first: New Girl episodes I missed. #thuglife." See, it's hilarious, because we aren't thugs—we are darling girls, and real thugs are black people who do crime! Oh, hey, can I call you back? I need to sew more ric-rac on my apron. I hope a black person didn't get into my ric-rac Kaboodle and steal all of it! JK, LOL. RIP, Whitney.

read: http://m.jezebel.com/5905291/a-complete-guide-to-hipster-racism
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A Complete Guide to 'Hipster Racism' (Original Post) limpyhobbler May 2012 OP
An incoherent mess of a blog muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #1
You mean this? limpyhobbler May 2012 #2
+1 Blue_Tires May 2012 #3
Explain this "thuglife" to me muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #5
In right-wing commentary, I've seen people use "thug" as a racist codeword Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #8
And we regularly use 'thug' to describe Republicans muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #9
I would say #thuglife has some pretty racial connotations. limpyhobbler May 2012 #11
This is good from the comments about "reverse racism" independentpiney May 2012 #4
she knocked it out of the park lol!! bettydavis May 2012 #6
Thanks for the link. limpyhobbler May 2012 #10
"I'm not racist, but" Can I Come Home May 2012 #7
That and this Nolimit May 2012 #12
"Yes, some of MINE are Methodists" Amster Dan May 2012 #14
Good comment regarding the advantages of priviledge flamingdem May 2012 #13

muriel_volestrangler

(101,301 posts)
1. An incoherent mess of a blog
Fri May 4, 2012, 06:23 AM
May 2012

She says "race is one of the least complicated issues that there is, because it's made up". And then proceeds to say the retweet by Zooey Deschanel of Sara Bareilles' tweet is 'ironic racism' because it mentions the word 'thug'. It's only the author who claims that means "real thugs are black people who do crime". And, if race it made up, then "wide-eyed acoustic covers of hip-hop songs" is not racism either. It's just music.

Similarly, if race is made up, then 'recreational slumming' is not racism. The author is saying that any boundaries are completely arbitrary and unjustified, but then insists that people never break them.

I suspect they wanted to write about Lesley Arfin, found another Jezebel blogger had done so already, and had to desperately pad it out to make it seem as if they had an original point.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
2. You mean this?
Fri May 4, 2012, 08:11 AM
May 2012
When people are trying to be sensitive about race but they don't know what to say, they usually go with, "Well, race is a complicated issue." Except, no, it's not. Race is one of the least complicated issues that there is, because it's made up. It's arbitrary. It's as complicated as goddamn Santa Claus. Oh, that guy's mom was half-black, which makes his skin slightly more pigmented than mine, which therefore means that he's inherently 12.5% lazier than me? Science! Um, no. What's actually complicated is our country's relationship with race, and our utter ineptitude at talking about it. We suck. I mean, I work on it every day, and I'm still a total fuck-up. But this new scheme someone came up with—where we prove we're not racist by acting as casually racist as possible? Not our best, white people. Not our best.


Makes sense to me. Race is just as complicated as Santa Claus because it is made up. Invented. No biological basis. Race is a social construct. But just because race is invented it doesn't necessarily mean that none of those examples could be racist. I don't know whether all of them are necessarily, but that's a different question.

I'm not bothered by the informal tone of this article or the fact that it is apparently unedited. It's just some blog post.

Zooey Deschanel and Sara Bareilles tagging their messages with #thuglife... That's racist. For the exact reason given in the article.

Not everyone can detect it. Takes practice. Opinions may vary.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,301 posts)
5. Explain this "thuglife" to me
Fri May 4, 2012, 11:27 AM
May 2012

especially in the light of race being made up and arbitrary. What connection has 'thuglife' to racism? The article claims that it says thugs are black people. But it doesn't say that, at all. What it does say is that watching a sitcom is not 'thuglife'. So the explanation in the article fails. So, what's your explanation of why it's racist?

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
8. In right-wing commentary, I've seen people use "thug" as a racist codeword
Fri May 4, 2012, 06:38 PM
May 2012

(because all African-Americans are criminals, according to right-wing mythology )

Example of use: "I moved to the suburbs because all kinds of welfare mothers, gangbangers, and thugs moved into my neighborhood."

Translation: "I moved to the suburbs because some upwardly mobile African-Americans moved into my neighborhood."

muriel_volestrangler

(101,301 posts)
9. And we regularly use 'thug' to describe Republicans
Fri May 4, 2012, 08:29 PM
May 2012

You can't take one word as the sole evidence for its context being racist, when non-racist people use the word as well, with a meaning that has nothing to do with race.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
11. I would say #thuglife has some pretty racial connotations.
Sat May 5, 2012, 01:02 AM
May 2012

To me it is part of black culture that describes and asks questions about how to survive in a difficult environment.
It is associated with Tupac Shakur. Hopefully that's a fair description.

Zooey D & Sara B weren't talking about republicans. They were talking about black people.

If anything Zooey D & Sara B were making fun of themselves for engaging in behavior that is so safe and stereo-typically suburban and white.

They are making fun of themselves for having such an easy life in comparison to thuglife where every day is a struggle for survival. But by invoking #thuglife as a comedic foil to contrast with their own safe bourgeois existence, they end up reinforcing the stereotype of black people as thugs, while also reinforcing the stereotype of white girls as having easy lives where their biggest problem is catching up with their soap operas.

But the overall point of the article was about the trend toward increasing use of ironic racism, and different common patterns it takes. That Zooey D thing was only one example of many in the article.

There are also a bunch of good examples through the link in post #6 below. thanks


independentpiney

(1,510 posts)
4. This is good from the comments about "reverse racism"
Fri May 4, 2012, 09:10 AM
May 2012

the removal of privilege (hell, even just the *identification* of privilege) so often gets whined at as "reverse racism" or some such absurd thing. When someone points out to a privileged person that they've been enjoying the fruits of something they did not in any way earn, that doesn't mean that this unfortunate privileged person is now experiencing "discrimination." I'm sorry to be breaking this to those of you who didn't get that, but there you go.

 

Amster Dan

(89 posts)
14. "Yes, some of MINE are Methodists"
Wed May 16, 2012, 03:07 AM
May 2012

Father Mulcahy on M*A*S*H, replying to Radar O'Reilly's anti-Catholic grandma.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
13. Good comment regarding the advantages of priviledge
Wed May 16, 2012, 01:06 AM
May 2012

and that people benefit from racism. Besides that as a cause there is a more basic tribal/group/family current there that is human and can be played with reflexively to some extent.

I think everyone should visit Cuba and other very mixed multi-racial nations. While they have their own brand of racism, the race relations are so different it helps to get some perspective on race in the USA. It's easier to see race in the USA as the historical construct it is. I think those societies in some areas are much more relaxed than in the USA and this is shown by the politically incorrect (by US standards) racial joking that goes on.

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