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Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:32 PM Jul 2021

Yes, Trump Really Did Lose Michigan - WSJ Editorial

Donald Trump says fraud is the only reason he lost the 2020 election. Some even think Mr. Trump will be reinstated once the truth comes out. Anyone who finds this narrative at all appealing should take 30 minutes to read the investigative report posted last week by Michigan Republicans. It’s only 35 pages.

The report is from the GOP state Senate’s Oversight Committee, which synthesized testimony from about 90 people, plus thousands of pages of subpoenaed documents. The committee’s chair, Ed McBroom, was a Trump delegate at the 2016 GOP national convention, and in 2019 he was a guest at the White House, looking on while Mr. Trump signed an executive order.

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The committee investigated 200 alleged dead voters. Only two problems were found. One was “a clerical error” involving a father and son with the same name. The other was an absentee ballot submitted by a 92-year-old, who then died four days before the election. That bad ballot should not have slipped through, though the report says 3,500 similar votes were caught.

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Many claims seem to stem from confusion by observers. Workers at Detroit’s counting center didn’t need to examine ballot signatures, the report says, because that task had been done elsewhere. Detroit’s tabulators weren’t connected to the internet, but they were on a local network, which “would create the same icon.” If it looked as if some ballots were being fed through a scanner more than once, here’s a boring reason: “Ballots go through the tabulator so quickly that a simple jam or other error necessitates the entire bundle being restarted.” Double counting would be obvious, as “the pollbook would show that many more votes were cast than the number of people obtaining a ballot.”

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The report also gives recommendations for reform. It says officials should be barred from sending unsolicited absentee ballot applications. It calls for clarifying “the rights and duties of challengers and poll watchers.” It suggests that ballot drop boxes be closed earlier than 8 p.m. on Election Day, so that collecting their contents does not push the counting “so long into the night.” Mr. Trump’s response was predictable. He called the inquiry “a cover up,” while repeating the same nonsense about Detroit and Antrim County. Apparently Mr. Trump didn’t actually read the report, but other Republicans should give it a look.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/yes-trump-really-did-lose-michigan-11625265004 (subscription)




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Yes, Trump Really Did Lose Michigan - WSJ Editorial (Original Post) question everything Jul 2021 OP
I've had discussions with election conspiracy theorists who didn't even know what a poll book is. CrispyQ Jul 2021 #1
The pillow guy has allllll the evidence. He's bursting with it. LakeArenal Jul 2021 #2
Wait, so if I vote, and then die before election day, my vote gets cancelled? lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #3

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
1. I've had discussions with election conspiracy theorists who didn't even know what a poll book is.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 01:54 PM
Jul 2021
That's how a lot of CTs get started & thrive—people who don't understand the process repeating or believing statements that are false. I asked my rw cousin, "If we rigged the election for Biden, why didn't we rig the Senate, too? I mean, how much more difficult would that have been, after all?" Crickets.

Lou Dobbs Complains ‘Actual Proof’ of Election Fraud Is Too Hard to Find

https://www.thedailybeast.com/lou-dobbs-complains-actual-proof-of-election-fraud-is-too-hard-to-find

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During his Fox Business broadcast Monday evening, Trump loyalist Lou Dobbs inadvertently told on himself when he asked why there is still no concrete evidence that proves the 2020 election was stolen from the outgoing president.

Eight weeks from the election, and we still don’t have verifiable, tangible support for the crimes that everyone knows were committed,” Dobbs said. “That is, defrauding other citizens who voted with fraudulent votes. We know that’s the case in Nevada, we know it’s the case in Pennsylvania and a number of other states, but we have had a devil of a time finding actual proof. Why?


They don't even listen to how stupid they sound.

LakeArenal

(28,813 posts)
2. The pillow guy has allllll the evidence. He's bursting with it.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 02:06 PM
Jul 2021

Yep. And we are gonna see that evidence and be totally convinced. You just wait. Mike has it. Totally.

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lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. Wait, so if I vote, and then die before election day, my vote gets cancelled?
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 09:50 AM
Jul 2021

That seems wrong.

"an absentee ballot submitted by a 92-year-old, who then died four days before the election. That bad ballot should not have slipped through, though the report says 3,500 similar votes were caught."

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