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Mosby

(16,301 posts)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 02:25 PM Aug 2021

Plunging Into the Abyss

It comes in waves. A friend here, a co-worker there, getting curious about one conspiracy theory or another until they follow one too many trailheads, and end up over the edge. It’s a casualty of living in disorienting times, we tell ourselves. It will eventually pass.

But the hardest part is when the people we’ve traditionally looked to for their brilliance and insights fall into this paranoid trap, as well. They leave us wondering how this could happen to people smarter than ourselves. As Kurt Andersen tweeted over the weekend, “Strangers turning en masse these last decades into crazed crackpot conspiracy theorists has been bad enough, but an educated, talented, funny, sweet, cosmopolitan old friend plunging into that abyss is a really disturbing, depressing Invasion of the Body Snatchers experience.”

Many of us have been mourning the loss of some of our smartest friends to extremism. I would say “extremism on both sides,” but right now I am really just referring to the side we used to call Q or alt-right, which has now settled into a widespread belief that the compromises required to live together in society are an affront to human liberty.

Yes, most of these people still do believe that Trump is returning as president sometime in August, that Biden lost the election, that Obama and other Democrat operatives hacked voting machines remotely from Italy and Germany, that Covid was developed intentionally in a lab, that most versions of the vaccine are laced with nanobots, that the global pederasty rings are still about to be revealed, and that certain factions in the military are ready to take over when they get the signal. But these beliefs are not really the part that’s so distressing to those of us on the more conventional side of reality.

No, the disturbing part — at least to me — are not any of the particular fantasies they’re hanging onto, but the stiffness and intransigence of it all. The angry, dogmatic manner in which all this gets expressed and defended. There’s never a lack of sarcasm, or a reluctance to twist the knife. It’s never “I fault Biden for…” It’s always “of course a bumbling deep state crony like Biden would…” There’s never, ever, an assumption of good faith on the part of anyone making choices on our behalf. Worse, when I call out a possible logical or historical inconsistency in one of the narratives, the believer becomes defensive to the point of being enraged.

It reminds me less of a political extremist — right or left — than an addict defending their habit. And that’s why I think we may be wrong to categorize this as a cult phenomenon, rather than as an addiction.

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Plunging Into the Abyss (Original Post) Mosby Aug 2021 OP
Simple test of good faith when dealing with any of these cretins... Moostache Aug 2021 #1
Yes. "an addict defending their habit." Mister Ed Aug 2021 #2

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
1. Simple test of good faith when dealing with any of these cretins...
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 02:29 PM
Aug 2021

Ask them if they are willing to challenge the veracity of ANY statement under discussion...

If they are, then it is possible to have meaningful dialog.
If they are not, then just walk away because that person is no longer in control of their faculties and a total waste of your time to pretend otherwise.

Mister Ed

(5,929 posts)
2. Yes. "an addict defending their habit."
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 03:05 PM
Aug 2021

I've been thinking along the same lines lately.

You don't deal with addicts by arguing with them about their addiction. Before recovery can become possible, addicts must experience the ill consequences of their behavior.

Addicts are extremely adept at shifting the consequences of their behavior onto others so they can continue to enjoy their buzz while others deal with the fallout. Those who are addicted to denying the reality of Covid will only begin to change when it costs them something. For example, when it costs them more in health insurance premiums, or when it causes them to be turned away from desired entertainment events or airline flights. Perhaps when it costs them their jobs, or causes them to become social pariahs.

It's time for some "tough love."

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