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PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 03:14 AM Oct 2021

Why We Need to Upgrade Our Face Masks--and Where to Get Them

High-quality respirators such as N95s and K95s are now widely available and provide the best protection against COVID, according to experts. Why aren’t more people wearing them?

A wealth of evidence has shown that wearing a face mask helps prevent people from spreading the virus that causes COVID, SARS-CoV-2, to others and from becoming sick themselves. But there has been less guidance from public health officials on what kind of masks provide the best protection.

Early on in the pandemic, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization told the public not to wear N95 respirators, a type of mask that is made from high-tech synthetic fibers and provides a high level of protection against virus-laden airborne particles called aerosols. That was because there was then a shortage of such masks—and health care workers desperately needed them. At the same time, both agencies said there was little risk of aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They recommended cloth masks or other homemade face coverings that can stop some relatively large virus-carrying droplets even as it became clear that SARS-CoV-2 commonly spreads through aerosols—and as the supply of better-quality masks increased.

There is now a cornucopia of high-filtration respirator-style masks on the market, including N95s, Chinese-made KN95s and South Korean–made KF94s. They have been widely available and relatively affordable for months and provide better protection than cloth or surgical masks. Yet it was not until September 10 that the CDC finally updated its guidance to say the general public could wear N95s and other medical-grade masks now that they are in sufficient supply.

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Why We Need to Upgrade Our Face Masks--and Where to Get Them (Original Post) PoliticAverse Oct 2021 OP
Have worn the kn95 masks from the beginning PortTack Oct 2021 #1
N95s made by 3M were available everywhere (hardware stores and home centers) before COVID PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #2
Many tons of counterfeit KN95s have been sold online William Seger Oct 2021 #8
True...we were careful who we purchased from. Not all of them are phony PortTack Oct 2021 #12
3M Has Established Production In The US COL Mustard Oct 2021 #14
I actually got KN95s since the beginning at my local gas station Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #7
Be careful, next you'll be buying your food at the gas station. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #18
Well, like most gas stations these days, it's also a "convenience store" Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #19
Yeah I remember when almost all gas stations repaired cars too. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #20
Also, some airlines are banning cloth face masks and coverings.... IcyPeas Oct 2021 #3
But, the schools that are following mask mandates are controlling covid better mucifer Oct 2021 #4
Cloth masks are certainly better than no masks. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #5
I would think these kn95 masks could be cost prohibitive for some. Cloth is at least airmid Oct 2021 #6
I looked at prices at several place and I couldn't afford them. Ka-Dinh Oy Oct 2021 #9
+1 Surgical masks are inexpensive & available. Best appalachiablue Oct 2021 #28
The price has come down on these substantially Sedona Oct 2021 #10
Even cheap online KN95s are good mdelaguna Oct 2021 #11
I've been wearing John Ludi Oct 2021 #13
Also John Ludi Oct 2021 #16
Shortly after the vaccinations, before delta became wnylib Oct 2021 #15
In Germany the N95 and KN95 are mandatory and only exception will be medical surgical masks Pachamama Oct 2021 #17
In the US, you are lucky you can get people to wear any type of masks. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #23
Depends where in US - in Northern California in Bay Area where my family in US is, they have Pachamama Oct 2021 #27
I wish I could wear them. piddyprints Oct 2021 #21
Searching Amazon for "Children's KN95 mask" seems to indicate they do. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #22
Not children's. piddyprints Oct 2021 #24
Unfortunately listing actual mask dimensions seems not to be that common. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #25
We nurses have to get fit tested for N95s every year. I don't fit the orange duck bill ones I mucifer Oct 2021 #26
"put hoods on us and squirt stuff that smells like candy in the hoods" PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #30
I am a fan of cloth masks with filter pockets Moebym Oct 2021 #29

PortTack

(32,758 posts)
1. Have worn the kn95 masks from the beginning
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 03:31 AM
Oct 2021

Just an FYI...the kn95 vs the n95-
The cdc rates the n95 as most effective. The kn95 is rated by China’s version of the cdc. Both are really good

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. N95s made by 3M were available everywhere (hardware stores and home centers) before COVID
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 03:35 AM
Oct 2021

but disappeared for a while. Now they seem to be relatively available again. Beware counterfeit products.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
8. Many tons of counterfeit KN95s have been sold online
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 05:22 AM
Oct 2021

... many to me. They don't have the N95 electrostatic layer that traps the smallest aerosols.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
14. 3M Has Established Production In The US
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:32 AM
Oct 2021

I’d buy theirs just to support US workers and for the knowledge that they’re produced to US standards.

Rhiannon12866

(205,239 posts)
7. I actually got KN95s since the beginning at my local gas station
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 05:03 AM
Oct 2021

It's family run, and that's what he ordered. And in the beginning I passed them on to family and friends. Since then, he's ordered some others, has tried to talk me into "pretty" masks, but I've stuck with the KN95s.

Rhiannon12866

(205,239 posts)
19. Well, like most gas stations these days, it's also a "convenience store"
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 07:08 AM
Oct 2021

With snacks, drinks and tobacco products. I'm actually old enough that I can remember when you could get your car serviced or repaired at the same places you bought gas - no food products available. My parents got their cars serviced at a nearby Mobil station and knew the owner and the mechanics. These days, I take my car to the dealership where I bought it. And that same Mobil station is practically a grocery store...

IcyPeas

(21,863 posts)
3. Also, some airlines are banning cloth face masks and coverings....
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 04:12 AM
Oct 2021
https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/airlines-banning-fabric-face-mask-coverings
This week, Finnair became the latest carrier to ban fabric face masks onboard, accepting only surgical masks, valve-free FFP2 or FFP3 respirator masks, and N95 masks, the company tweeted.

If you're flying check with your airline to see what they allow.

mucifer

(23,537 posts)
4. But, the schools that are following mask mandates are controlling covid better
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 04:24 AM
Oct 2021

then those not with mask mandates. So cloth masks do help.

Ka-Dinh Oy

(11,686 posts)
9. I looked at prices at several place and I couldn't afford them.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 05:32 AM
Oct 2021

I have surgical masks that I insert into my cloth masks and that will have to do.

Surgical masks are cheap for now. Cloth masks range in price but even if they are a little pricey the are reusable.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
28. +1 Surgical masks are inexpensive & available. Best
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 09:03 AM
Oct 2021

to use them as a first layer with a cloth mask on top for closer fit to eliminate gaps. I alternate between N95's and double masks, depending on the circumstances.

In case you forget one or a strap breaks, carry one or two extra respirators and masks, in a tote, purse or in the car.

mdelaguna

(471 posts)
11. Even cheap online KN95s are good
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:08 AM
Oct 2021

I had no idea how good until we went to an outdoor event and others in my party were complaining about the smell of cigar smoke some 30’ away (they had those thin paper hospital masks on). I couldn’t smell it with my KN95 on, but pulling it down I could. Impressed me!

John Ludi

(589 posts)
13. I've been wearing
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:26 AM
Oct 2021

filtered masks exclusively since this whole thing started. Either N95 masks with a cloth cover or ATSM Level 3 surgical masks with a cloth cover...and in prolonged indoor scenarios I make the cloth cover a Halomask with their filter insert.

Until I got the vax I was wearing goggles in indoor settings too...either regular ones with all the holes covered or swimming goggles.

And I carry a little spray bottle of rubbing alcohol with me everywhere.


All of this has the added bonus of people avoiding me because I look kind of demented and somewhat dangerous (both of which are actually more or less true, frankly).

John Ludi

(589 posts)
16. Also
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:34 AM
Oct 2021

I've been using a nasal spray called Taffix before I go into any potential hot zones. I have a weekly delivery run that I do for a small organic farm in a large city, and it takes me to places where people are less than 100% careful (like a university campus).

wnylib

(21,433 posts)
15. Shortly after the vaccinations, before delta became
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:33 AM
Oct 2021

the dominant variant in the US, KN95 and N95 masks were selling at low prices. Everyone thought the pandemic was over so you could get a box of 50 N95s for $35. Now the price is up to $60 or $70 for a box of 50 and they are harder to find now that people are buying them more. There are a lot of fakes, too. If ordering online, you have to sift through several options and read the descriptions carefully. They should have 5 layers, headbands instead of ear loops, and be NIOSH approved particulate filters.

Cloth masks work well if they are paired with a surgical mask. The surgical mask goes on first, with the nose piece adjusted to fit snugly. Then a cloth mask with at least 2 layers of cotton, with adjustable loops and nose piece so that they fit snugly with no gaps at the cheeks or nose. That gives you 5 layers, 2 cloth and 3 layers of nonwoven material in the surgical mask. Surgical masks are cheap and cloth ones are washable.

With a good fit, you should be able to see the mask suck inward when you inhale and outward when you exhale. You should also be able to put on glasses with no fogging.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
17. In Germany the N95 and KN95 are mandatory and only exception will be medical surgical masks
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:58 AM
Oct 2021

…for entry info buildings, public transportation and stores. No cloth masks or masks with valves allowed. They reccommend for best protection the N95 and KN95 masks over the medical for protection.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
27. Depends where in US - in Northern California in Bay Area where my family in US is, they have
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 07:46 AM
Oct 2021

…not only 90% vaccination rate, but people have no problem wearing masks.

piddyprints

(14,642 posts)
21. I wish I could wear them.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 07:14 AM
Oct 2021

I make my own cloth masks in a “youth” size to fit my small face. All the surgical and KN95 I’ve tried so far are way too big for me. Do they make a smaller size that I’m just not seeing?

piddyprints

(14,642 posts)
24. Not children's.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 07:21 AM
Oct 2021

I need the in-between size. But thanks! Maybe I’ll order a few just so see if they’d work.

mucifer

(23,537 posts)
26. We nurses have to get fit tested for N95s every year. I don't fit the orange duck bill ones I
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 07:25 AM
Oct 2021

have to have a small 3m.

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/v000057465/

They put hoods on us and squirt stuff that smells like candy in the hoods. I could smell the candy with the orange one and the regular size 3m.

I wear cloth masks when I'm not working. Maybe I'll go back to surgical masks.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
30. "put hoods on us and squirt stuff that smells like candy in the hoods"
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 07:31 PM
Oct 2021

Nice to know they put in the effort to make sure you have masks that actually work.

Best wishes to you!

Moebym

(989 posts)
29. I am a fan of cloth masks with filter pockets
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 01:33 PM
Oct 2021

They are versatile, as they can be worn with any type of filter inserted into the pocket or even over a N95, KN95, or KF94 mask in a double-mask setup.

If masks tend to slip off your ears a they do mine, I highly recommend buying lanyards or mask holders to keep them in place.

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