Catholic bishops celebrate a big win: But as they have sowed, so shall they reap

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Catholic bishops celebrate a big win: But as they have sowed, so shall they reap
America's bishops pushed hard for the end of Roe. Now they call for unity and healing. What reality is that?

By CELIA VIGGO WEXLER
PUBLISHED JUNE 26, 2022 6:00AM


(Salon) In 1974, the Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, then president of the University of Notre Dame, warned Roman Catholics against ceding the abortion debate to "crude zealots who have neither good judgment, sophistication of procedure nor the modicum of civility needed for the rational discussion of disagreements in a pluralistic democracy."

This week, the "crude zealots" won. America's Catholic bishops are doing a victory lap over this decision. Four of the five justices who voted to overturn Roe v. Wade were conservative Catholics. (Chief Justice John Roberts, also a conservative Catholic, voted to uphold the Mississippi abortion ban at issue in the Dobbs case, but did not support overturning Roe outright.)

The bishops have been pushing for the overturn of Roe for decades, and many of them were glad to overlook Donald Trump's moral lapses because he declared himself anti-abortion. In his single term (at least so far), Trump, with the help of then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, kept his promise and larded the court with three conservative justices eager to reverse 50 years of court precedent.

Now these same church leaders are calling on Americans to unite, and for dissension to end. "It is a time for healing wounds and repairing social divisions," the bishops wrote in a statement. "It is a time for reasoned reflection and civil dialogue, and for coming together to build a society and economy that supports marriages and families, and where every woman has the support and resources she needs to bring her child into this world in love."

What planet do they live on, to suggest that such an outcome is remotely plausible? Strife will just devolve to the states. Indeed, a 2021 investigation by the National Catholic Reporter found that major anti-abortion groups were funding voter suppression efforts in key states, endorsing Donald Trump's Big Lie and pushing for future Republican victories. That doesn't sound like "coming together" to me. ..............(more)

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/26/catholic-bishops-celebrate-a-big-win-but-as-they-have-sowed-so-shall-they-reap/

[vanlassie]

1. Well, they ARE experts in believing in magic...

[whathehell]

9. More than the Protestant Evangelicals who "pushed" just as hard?

Nah -- The old atheist sideswipe at religion requires inclusivity.

[Brenda]

19. Maybe all religion in a democracy

deserves more than a sideswipe since they're trying to enforce their own bigoted beliefs upon the rest of the citizens with a fucking sledgehammer.

[whathehell]

20. In this case

they might argue that it's morality, rather than "religion" that informs their opinions.

[Brenda]

21. Oh, so only Bishops get to define morality.

We used to say "The Moral Majority is Neither" and it still holds true.

If people really believe that only they, those who believe in God are moral and can determine what is moral, what EXACTLY do they want to do with all us heathens?

If they want to believe I'm immoral, who cares? If they want to control the government and enforce the laws of the land with courts and law enforcement because they believe I'm immoral, well. We must be Iran.

Certainly not a free democracy.

[whathehell]

22. Nope.

That's not even close to what I meant. That said, I'm sensing your rancor, and, since I'm not at all interested in fighting right now, I'm going to suggest that we bid each other "adieu" and get on with our respective days? Bye.

[Irish_Dem]

2. As long as women are second class citizens and subjugated by males, there is no healing, ever.

[OrlandoDem2]

3. They could've built a society and economy that values families BEFORE

Roe was overturned.

The “universal church” is part of the problem.

[Ritabert]

4. Left the Church 50 years ago due to hypocrisy

[Diamond_Dog]

5. And the Catholic Church officially bans contraception!

How clueless are these leaders about modern life?

[caraher]

12. Or biology, for that matter

Part of their anti-contraception reasoning is their defining most methods of birth control as abortion (contrary to the medical definition, they choose to consider pregnancy to begin at the fabled moment of conception).

[NickB79]

23. And IVF for infertility

[onecaliberal]

6. Church of pedophiles said what?

[Thomas Hurt]

7. Yep this is what I am seeing too on twitter.

"Court had to do what it had to do, just following the Constitution don't you know" 'The country is so polarized." "We have to do something."

"We got what we wanted. Time for you to shut up and like it."

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

8. Maybe if Catholic women who have an unwanted baby were just to leave it

at the nearest church, and women of other denominations do the same, do you think those men would actually take responsibility for raising that child?

I didn't think so.

[badhair77]

10. So they're saying, "I got my way,

now, although you’re losing something, you have to be happy for me. Be a good loser.”
That’s not how this works.

[Diamond_Dog]

14. That just slays me.

Everybody had their way before.

Have an abortion. Or don’t have one. Whatever you believe is right for you. Freedom, y’know?

Now the party of female subjugation ruled no one can have one. How is that an improvement?

And these koo koo nuts who say having babies empowers women can just stfu right now.

[Skittles]

18. kinda like saying it's inevitable, lay back and enjoy it

FUCK those sanctimonious assholes to hell and back

[dalton99a]

11. "Yeah, we are creepy assholes, but we are PRO-LIFE! SAVE THE UNBORN! DONATE!!!"

Theodore Hesburgh was right

95% of Catholic bishops are Trump trash

[hvn_nbr_2]

13. Out-of-touch Fantasyland fools. Now that the Inquisitors have burnt the witches...

they want the burnt witches to join them in unity. "We'd have unity if everyone just agreed with me."

I'm a religious person, but frankly at least 90% (probably 95%+) of churches are just full-of-shit judgment-spewers.

[madaboutharry]

15. Are they F***ing kidding?

What planet are these Bronze Age hypocrites living on? How dare they think they should have any standing to comment on American politics and culture or to think that their Church should have a say in how people live their lives. This pisses me off to no end.

Americans must face the truth. The Supreme Court has been corrupted by a cabal of 5 religious extremists and a Chief Justice who can't figure out how to act like a judge without fearing the wrath of god. They are religious mobsters who have committed an atrocious shakedown of an entire country.

Not sorry if I offended anyone.

[EarnestPutz]

16. Hesburgh said we were a "pluralistic democracy" back then as if it were a good thing, a fact lost...

.....on the conservative plotters who worked to change all that.

[Ouroborosnek]

17. They lost me for good

My self excommunication is complete.