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savalez

(3,517 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:51 PM Aug 2012

The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era

Hi, everyone. I’m Michael Grunwald from TIME Magazine, and Josh has generously invited me to blog this week about my new book, The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era. It’s the story of President Obama’s $800 billion stimulus bill, which—wait, don’t click away!—was one of the most important and least understood pieces of legislation in modern history. The much-mocked Failed-Stimulus was actually a remarkable success. It was also the purest distillation of what Obama meant by change. And the story of the stimulus is the best way to understand the president, his policies, his approach to politics, his achievements, and his problems marketing those achievements in a city that’s gone bonkers. It’s also the best way to understand his enemies; The New New Deal documents how Republican leaders secretly devised their strategy of all-out obstructionism before he even took office.

I’ll be in Tampa for the GOP convention, so I’ll write about the Republicans tomorrow. Today I’ll give a taste of what I discovered about the stimulus, because almost everything most Americans think they know about it is wrong. The bottom line is that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is, as Vice President Biden would say, a BFD, both the short-term Recovery and the long-term Reinvestment. Even though Washington thinks it’s a joke. Even though the country agrees.

In 2010, a poll found that the percentage of Americans who believed the stimulus created jobs was lower than the percentage who believed Elvis was alive. I’m sure many TPM readers are in the minority who understand that the stimulus helped prevent a full-blown depression, that the economy was bleeding an unthinkable 800,000 jobs a month before the stimulus helped cauterize the wound. But it’s hard to remember just how horrible things were when Obama took office, and just how quickly the stimulus started to turn things around.

In the fourth quarter of 2008, the U.S. economy shrunk at an 8.9% annualized rate. That’s depression territory. At that rate we would have lost an entire Canadian economy worth of output in 2009. Job losses peaked in January, and Obama signed the stimulus in February. There’s been a lot of talk about shovel-ready projects that weren’t shovel-ready, but the Recovery Act quickly poured hundreds of billions of dollars worth of textbook Keynesian stimulus into the economy to boost demand: massive aid to state governments to prevent Medicaid cuts, teacher layoffs, and other public-sector anti-stimulus; unemployment benefits, food stamps, and other assistance for victims of the recession; $250 checks to seniors and the disabled; and tax cuts for 95% of American workers that less than 10% of them actually noticed. Liberals often complain that the stimulus wasn’t big enough—and they’re right, although my reporting demonstrates that there was no way Obama could have squeezed another dime out of Congress—but it was pretty damn big, more than 50% larger than the entire multi-year New Deal in constant dollars.

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AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
2. "Liberals often complain that the stimulus wasn’t big enough"? That's the complaint?
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:35 PM
Aug 2012

Obama will be re-elected. But that's the complaint?

How about his cooperation with the Republicans to give billions to the banksters? How about him giving de facto immunity to the banksters that destroyed the economy?

How about his appointing Republican carry-overs from the Bush II Administration? How about his appointment of anti-Social Security advocates to the Cat-Food Commission?

How about his apparent indifference to the shipping of jobs to foreign countries? How about his abandonment of his promise to revise NAFTA, and his accompanying lack of even making an effort to do so?

How about his support of the pending another-let's-send-even-more-jobs-to-foreign-countries "free-trade" agreement"

Trans-Pacific negotiations have been taking place throughout the Obama presidency. The deal is strongly supported by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the top lobbying group for American corporations. Obama's Republican opponent in the 2012 presidential elections, Mitt Romney, has urged the U.S. to finalize the deal as soon as possible.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/obama-trade-document-leak_n_1592593.html

If anyone is going to provide opposition to the pending job-transferring "free-trade" agreement, it may be the Democratic Senators. It is not going to be the presidential candidates. This may be our last chance to influence and vote for Democratic Senators who might vote against the pending job-transferring "free-trade" agreement.


He will be re-elected. But some of us are going to have to hold our noses to vote for him.
 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
4. How can you seriously believe that these items are not related to the Recovery Act?
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 03:14 PM
Aug 2012

It's now 3 1/2 years later. In light of all these things, how's the "recovery" going? Excuse me, but by what logic do you believe that these things are unrelated?

savalez

(3,517 posts)
6. The article is not about noses and voting booths.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 04:32 PM
Aug 2012

It is about The Recovery Act and how it was one of the most important and least understood bills in modern history. It explains in a nutshell where the investments went and how the Republicans destroyed its reputation. To answer your question, I can only imagine what would have happened had it not been signed into law but I certainly don't think we would have been better off.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
9. Why bring in a straw-man as to what might have happened. It was signed into law. To be consistent
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 05:53 PM
Aug 2012

with an announced goal of having a recovery, maybe it would have been a good idea to take action consistent with that.

Here's an analogy. If the driver of a North-bound taxicab in Chicago at State and Madison told you that he would take you to State and Wacker but then turned West instead of driving four blocks North to Wacker, you might have an idea that the driver did not have a primary goal of taking you directly to State and Wacker but was interested in running up the cab fare.

If you already got into the cab and were already enroute, the logical thing to consider is whether it would have been better to travel directly to your destination at State and Wacker rather than talking about not going at all.

None one raised the issue of whether it would have been better to not sign the Recovery Act. The issue is whether it would have been better to act in a manner consistent with have a goal of having a recovery.

savalez

(3,517 posts)
10. Nonsense.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 08:03 PM
Aug 2012

You are being a stickler with the word "recovery". The full name is actually the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Did it not reinvest too? Got a cab analogy for that? Got news for you, the Clean Air Act was designed to control air pollution, not make the air entirely clean. It's just a name.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
7. In general, people don't know what the hell they're talking about.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 04:37 PM
Aug 2012

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Converse: The nature of belief systems in mass publics
From WikiSummary, the Free Social Science Summary Database
http://wikisum.com/w/Converse:_The_nature_of_belief_systems_in_mass_publics

A great majority of people neither adhere to a full, complete set of beliefs which produces a clear ideology nor do they have a clear grasp of what ideology is. This is measured by a lack of coherence in responses to open-ended questions. Ideology of elites is not mirrored by the masses and voter revolt to a political party does not reflect ideological shifts.

The Nature of Belief Systems in Mass Publics
http://politicalbubbles.com/The_Nature_of_Belief_Systems_in_Mass_Publics_Converse_1964.pdf

Just because someone posts on a discussion board does not mean they have a clue. Look at Facebook.

I get into trouble when I confront those I have on "ignore" with facts. Too frustrating to compete with "knowledge" based on stereotypical thinking, biases, anecdotal evidence, acceptance of non-rationalized power, and so forth.

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
5. The stimulus didn't make everything all pretty and shiny again.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 03:15 PM
Aug 2012

The GOP would like something all new and refreshed to trash and destroy, but they will take what they can get. They are like kids who take someone's new toys, rip them apart and complain that you don't have more for them to grab. I think they should be sent to the Willy Wonka factory.

I think the article makes some good points, and I do believe that Obama is doing fairly well with the dysfunctional mess that passes for our Congress today. He is more concerned about the long view, and the GOP seems to have a severe case of attention deficit disorder and a very loose hold on reality.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
13. LOL, "by June, the worst recession since the Great Depression was officially over"
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 01:30 PM
Aug 2012

Now I see why more people believe Elvis is still alive, because the recession never ended. The people who "officially" declared the recession over were/are government economists who twist statistics for a living.

The article is stuck in the left/right argument and the author can't see the truth or the big picture because of it. The "tax cuts" were an extension of the Bush tax cuts for the rich too. Also, a guy quoted says "you’ve got to appreciate that the serious fraud just hasn’t happened" -- that guy's obviously never heard of libor, muni-bond rigging, Goldman Sachs or J.P. Morgan. Talk to anyone in education now and it's not the pretty picture painted in this article either.

I'll stop listing the multitude of fantasies listed in this article, if anyone is unable to see the massive fraud and corruption that rules the U.S. economy and how it's perpetuated by a government that only serves itself then they can keep on believing it until it happens to them which, it does already every time they buy gas, a house, an "investment" or get a job with no security, little pay and no benefits.

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