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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:30 PM Jan 2012

How Congress Has Signed Its Own Arrest Warrants in the NDAA Citizen Arrest Act By Naomi Wolf

http://naomiwolf.org/2011/12/how-congress-is-signing-its-own-arrest-warrants-in-the-ndaa-citizen-arrest-bill/

I never thought I would have to write this: but—incredibly—Congress has now passed the National Defense Appropriations Act, with Amendment 1031, which allows for the military detention of American citizens. The amendment is so loosely worded that any American citizen could be held without due process. The language of this bill can be read to assure Americans that they can challenge their detention — but most people do not realize what this means: at Guantanamo and in other military prisons, one’s lawyer’s calls are monitored, witnesses for one’s defense are not allowed to testify, and one can be forced into nudity and isolation. Incredibly, ninety-three Senators voted to support this bill and now most of Congress: a roster of names that will live in infamy in the history of our nation, and never be expunged from the dark column of the history books.

They may have supported this bill because—although it’s hard to believe—they think the military will only arrest active members of Al Qaida; or maybe, less naively, they believe that ‘at most’, low-level dissenting figures, activists, or troublesome protesters might be subjected to military arrest. But they are forgetting something critical: history shows that those who signed this bill will soon be subject to arrest themselves.

Our leaders appear to be supporting this bill thinking that they will always be what they are now, in the fading light of a once-great democracy — those civilian leaders who safely and securely sit in freedom and DIRECT the military. In inhabiting this bubble, which their own actions are about to destroy, they are cocooned by an arrogance of power, placing their own security in jeopardy by their own hands, and ignoring history and its inevitable laws. The moment this bill becomes law, though Congress is accustomed, in a weak democracy, to being the ones who direct and control the military, the power roles will reverse: Congress will no longer be directing and in charge of the military: rather, the military will be directing and in charge of individual Congressional leaders, as well as in charge of everyone else — as any Parliamentarian in any society who handed this power over to the military can attest.

Perhaps Congress assumes that it will always only be ‘they’ who are targeted for arrest and military detention: but sadly, Parliamentary leaders are the first to face pressure, threats, arrest and even violence when the military obtains to power to make civilian arrests and hold civilians in military facilities without due process. There is no exception to this rule. Just as I traveled the country four years ago warning against the introduction of torture and secret prisons – and confidently offering a hundred thousand dollar reward to anyone who could name a nation that allowed torture of the ‘other’ that did not eventually turn this abuse on its own citizens — (confident because I knew there was no such place) — so today I warn that one cannot name a nation that gave the military the power to make civilian arrests and hold citizens in military detention, that did not almost at once turn that power almost against members of that nation’s own political ruling class. This makes sense — the obverse sense of a democracy, in which power protects you; political power endangers you in a militarized police state: the more powerful a political leader is, the more can be gained in a militarized police state by pressuring, threatening or even arresting him or her...
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How Congress Has Signed Its Own Arrest Warrants in the NDAA Citizen Arrest Act By Naomi Wolf (Original Post) Demeter Jan 2012 OP
Thank you who recommended, quietly but firmly Demeter Jan 2012 #1
K&R n/t Mnemosyne Jan 2012 #2
What's the worst that can happen? Obama issued a signing statement, after all. MNBrewer Jan 2012 #3
Big K&R. blackspade Jan 2012 #4
k&r n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #5
K & R Better Believe It Jan 2012 #6
Coups are for police states where everyone is watched, can't happen here ... oops leveymg Jan 2012 #7
Kr for a rare reality check nt ooglymoogly Jan 2012 #8
Does that include the President of the United States? Samantha Jan 2012 #9
I fervently hope so Demeter Jan 2012 #18
It never does, it seems. nt gateley Jan 2012 #22
K&R - on-board with this! patrice Jan 2012 #10
but Obama can now guarantee his win.... dougolat Jan 2012 #11
I do hope President Obama sticks to his signing statements where he promises tavalon Jan 2012 #12
I am pretty sure if the military ever did rounded up Rex Jan 2012 #13
This article was written December 12th and that language was removed before Obama Welibs Jan 2012 #14
Obviously you haven't done your homework. GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #15
NDAA allows for no such thing. Read Sec. 1031 ingac70 Jan 2012 #16
I did. So did a lot of more expert readers Demeter Jan 2012 #19
Some crackpot being Obama? stuckinarut Jan 2012 #25
Statement by the President on H.R. 1540: ingac70 Jan 2012 #32
It has a few loose ends sid3track3d Jan 2012 #36
Words have meanings, and they chose the word "requirement" for a reason cpwm17 Jan 2012 #38
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2012 #17
A similar article ddickey Jan 2012 #20
Interesting, good point in your article... n/t mrdmk Jan 2012 #21
Thanks ddickey Jan 2012 #23
Can I i_sometimes Jan 2012 #24
It's stunning.... President Obama could of stopped this, but didn't.... midnight Jan 2012 #26
No one who signed this bill will get my vote come election time. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #27
I agree and thus will not vote for Maria Cantwell or Patty Murray. Citizen Worker Jan 2012 #28
I'm with you dana_b Jan 2012 #29
I've voted for her every election - Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #31
yea let's give it all to the gop. surely they'll handle this much more to our liking leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #33
If Boxer can't win CA without my vote -- Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #34
K&R for liberty. nt Land Shark Jan 2012 #30
Going for another 100 Demeter Jan 2012 #35
I am amazed and grateful that this thread is still kicking Demeter Jan 2012 #37
OMG. Remember Me Jan 2012 #39
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
1. Thank you who recommended, quietly but firmly
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 08:04 PM
Jan 2012

a lot of familiar old faces--glad to see you all still around. So many aren't....

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
4. Big K&R.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:35 PM
Jan 2012

The military detention sections of this crappy bill are an abomination to our (supposed) democracy.
They are so completely un-necessary.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
7. Coups are for police states where everyone is watched, can't happen here ... oops
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:10 AM
Jan 2012

It's happening - everyting is in place. Just start the war with Iran and Syria and see martial law here.

dougolat

(716 posts)
11. but Obama can now guarantee his win....
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 04:52 AM
Jan 2012

by using his new, official and approved star-chamber powers

to "disappear" his opponent!

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
12. I do hope President Obama sticks to his signing statements where he promises
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:12 AM
Jan 2012

his administration wouldn't do such heinous, unconstitutional things.

But there are three words that make me doubt his administrations veracity. Those three words have become so ubiquitous that they've been shortened to a three letter acronym.

OWS

That is all.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. I am pretty sure if the military ever did rounded up
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:34 AM
Jan 2012

Congress and locked them up in a prison somewhere, they would be outraged and DEMAND to know under what authority the military is acting to impound the group! Imagine their surprise, when they find out they did it to themselves. NOT that it would ever happen, but irony likes to be heard.

 

Welibs

(188 posts)
14. This article was written December 12th and that language was removed before Obama
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:41 AM
Jan 2012

signed it last week.

As well, he added a signing statement.

ingac70

(7,947 posts)
16. NDAA allows for no such thing. Read Sec. 1031
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jan 2012

(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS-
The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.



Please read the Section 1031 of the Defense Authorization Act of 2012 before taking some crackpot's word that US citizens can be imprisoned by the military because of it. Thank you.

stuckinarut

(243 posts)
25. Some crackpot being Obama?
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:33 PM
Jan 2012

Because his signing statement clearly states that this law DOES allow for indefinite detention of US citizens without due process, he just pinky promises that it won't happen as long as he is president.

I guess Obama thought that the bill DOES codify indefinite detention...so much so that he wrote a signing statement to clarify HIS administration's position.

I agree though, Obama is starting to look like some kind of crack pot.

ingac70

(7,947 posts)
32. Statement by the President on H.R. 1540:
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jan 2012


Today I have signed into law H.R. 1540, the “National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012.” I have signed the Act chiefly because it authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad, crucial services for service members and their families, and vital national security programs that must be renewed. In hundreds of separate sections totaling over 500 pages, the Act also contains critical Administration initiatives to control the spiraling health care costs of the Department of Defense (DoD), to develop counterterrorism initiatives abroad, to build the security capacity of key partners, to modernize the force, and to boost the efficiency and effectiveness of military operations worldwide.

The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it. In particular, I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists. Over the last several years, my Administration has developed an effective, sustainable framework for the detention, interrogation and trial of suspected terrorists that allows us to maximize both our ability to collect intelligence and to incapacitate dangerous individuals in rapidly developing situations, and the results we have achieved are undeniable. Our success against al-Qa’ida and its affiliates and adherents has derived in significant measure from providing our counterterrorism professionals with the clarity and flexibility they need to adapt to changing circumstances and to utilize whichever authorities best protect the American people, and our accomplishments have respected the values that make our country an example for the world.

Against that record of success, some in Congress continue to insist upon restricting the options available to our counterterrorism professionals and interfering with the very operations that have kept us safe. My Administration has consistently opposed such measures. Ultimately, I decided to sign this bill not only because of the critically important services it provides for our forces and their families and the national security programs it authorizes, but also because the Congress revised provisions that otherwise would have jeopardized the safety, security, and liberty of the American people. Moving forward, my Administration will interpret and implement the provisions described below in a manner that best preserves the flexibility on which our safety depends and upholds the values on which this country was founded.

Section 1021 affirms the executive branch’s authority to detain persons covered by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note). This section breaks no new ground and is unnecessary. The authority it describes was included in the 2001 AUMF, as recognized by the Supreme Court and confirmed through lower court decisions since then. Two critical limitations in section 1021 confirm that it solely codifies established authorities. First, under section 1021(d), the bill does not “limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.” Second, under section 1021(e), the bill may not be construed to affect any “existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.” My Administration strongly supported the inclusion of these limitations in order to make clear beyond doubt that the legislation does nothing more than confirm authorities that the Federal courts have recognized as lawful under the 2001 AUMF. Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.

Section 1022 seeks to require military custody for a narrow category of non-citizen detainees who are “captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.” This section is ill-conceived and will do nothing to improve the security of the United States. The executive branch already has the authority to detain in military custody those members of al-Qa’ida who are captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the AUMF, and as Commander in Chief I have directed the military to do so where appropriate. I reject any approach that would mandate military custody where law enforcement provides the best method of incapacitating a terrorist threat. While section 1022 is unnecessary and has the potential to create uncertainty, I have signed the bill because I believe that this section can be interpreted and applied in a manner that avoids undue harm to our current operations.

I have concluded that section 1022 provides the minimally acceptable amount of flexibility to protect national security. Specifically, I have signed this bill on the understanding that section 1022 provides the executive branch with broad authority to determine how best to implement it, and with the full and unencumbered ability to waive any military custody requirement, including the option of waiving appropriate categories of cases when doing so is in the national security interests of the United States. As my Administration has made clear, the only responsible way to combat the threat al-Qa’ida poses is to remain relentlessly practical, guided by the factual and legal complexities of each case and the relative strengths and weaknesses of each system. Otherwise, investigations could be compromised, our authorities to hold dangerous individuals could be jeopardized, and intelligence could be lost. I will not tolerate that result, and under no circumstances will my Administration accept or adhere to a rigid across-the-board requirement for military detention. I will therefore interpret and implement section 1022 in the manner that best preserves the same flexible approach that has served us so well for the past 3 years and that protects the ability of law enforcement professionals to obtain the evidence and cooperation they need to protect the Nation.

My Administration will design the implementation procedures authorized by section 1022(c) to provide the maximum measure of flexibility and clarity to our counterterrorism professionals permissible under law. And I will exercise all of my constitutional authorities as Chief Executive and Commander in Chief if those procedures fall short, including but not limited to seeking the revision or repeal of provisions should they prove to be unworkable.

Sections 1023-1025 needlessly interfere with the executive branch’s processes for reviewing the status of detainees. Going forward, consistent with congressional intent as detailed in the Conference Report, my Administration will interpret section 1024 as granting the Secretary of Defense broad discretion to determine what detainee status determinations in Afghanistan are subject to the requirements of this section.

Sections 1026-1028 continue unwise funding restrictions that curtail options available to the executive branch. Section 1027 renews the bar against using appropriated funds for fiscal year 2012 to transfer Guantanamo detainees into the United States for any purpose. I continue to oppose this provision, which intrudes upon critical executive branch authority to determine when and where to prosecute Guantanamo detainees, based on the facts and the circumstances of each case and our national security interests. For decades, Republican and Democratic administrations have successfully prosecuted hundreds of terrorists in Federal court. Those prosecutions are a legitimate, effective, and powerful tool in our efforts to protect the Nation. Removing that tool from the executive branch does not serve our national security. Moreover, this intrusion would, under certain circumstances, violate constitutional separation of powers principles.

Section 1028 modifies but fundamentally maintains unwarranted restrictions on the executive branch’s authority to transfer detainees to a foreign country. This hinders the executive’s ability to carry out its military, national security, and foreign relations activities and like section 1027, would, under certain circumstances, violate constitutional separation of powers principles. The executive branch must have the flexibility to act swiftly in conducting negotiations with foreign countries regarding the circumstances of detainee transfers. In the event that the statutory restrictions in sections 1027 and 1028 operate in a manner that violates constitutional separation of powers principles, my Administration will interpret them to avoid the constitutional conflict.

Section 1029 requires that the Attorney General consult with the Director of National Intelligence and Secretary of Defense prior to filing criminal charges against or seeking an indictment of certain individuals. I sign this based on the understanding that apart from detainees held by the military outside of the United States under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force, the provision applies only to those individuals who have been determined to be covered persons under section 1022 before the Justice Department files charges or seeks an indictment. Notwithstanding that limitation, this provision represents an intrusion into the functions and prerogatives of the Department of Justice and offends the longstanding legal tradition that decisions regarding criminal prosecutions should be vested with the Attorney General free from outside interference. Moreover, section 1029 could impede flexibility and hinder exigent operational judgments in a manner that damages our security. My Administration will interpret and implement section 1029 in a manner that preserves the operational flexibility of our counterterrorism and law enforcement professionals, limits delays in the investigative process, ensures that critical executive branch functions are not inhibited, and preserves the integrity and independence of the Department of Justice.

Other provisions in this bill above could interfere with my constitutional foreign affairs powers. Section 1244 requires the President to submit a report to the Congress 60 days prior to sharing any U.S. classified ballistic missile defense information with Russia. Section 1244 further specifies that this report include a detailed description of the classified information to be provided. While my Administration intends to keep the Congress fully informed of the status of U.S. efforts to cooperate with the Russian Federation on ballistic missile defense, my Administration will also interpret and implement section 1244 in a manner that does not interfere with the President’s constitutional authority to conduct foreign affairs and avoids the undue disclosure of sensitive diplomatic communications. Other sections pose similar problems. Sections 1231, 1240, 1241, and 1242 could be read to require the disclosure of sensitive diplomatic communications and national security secrets; and sections 1235, 1242, and 1245 would interfere with my constitutional authority to conduct foreign relations by directing the Executive to take certain positions in negotiations or discussions with foreign governments. Like section 1244, should any application of these provisions conflict with my constitutional authorities, I will treat the provisions as non-binding.

My Administration has worked tirelessly to reform or remove the provisions described above in order to facilitate the enactment of this vital legislation, but certain provisions remain concerning. My Administration will aggressively seek to mitigate those concerns through the design of implementation procedures and other authorities available to me as Chief Executive and Commander in Chief, will oppose any attempt to extend or expand them in the future, and will seek the repeal of any provisions that undermine the policies and values that have guided my Administration throughout my time in office.

BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE, December 31, 2011.

sid3track3d

(1 post)
36. It has a few loose ends
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 07:08 PM
Jan 2012

Like no clear language as to how domestic terrorists are dealt with. By the way THIS vvvvv


(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS-
The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

IS COVERED in section 1022. Not 1021. Loophole for illegal search and seizure? Who knows how this law will be interpreted. I can see many getting lost in limbo while the language is argued. If you are going to write, push and pass a bill that could potentially effect Americans than make sure it is very, very clear in every section.

BEYOND THAT it violates HABEAS CORPUS!!!! Clearly.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
38. Words have meanings, and they chose the word "requirement" for a reason
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 08:12 PM
Jan 2012

Nothing here says that American citizens can't be held in military detention, only that there is no requirement that they must. It's left up to the discretion of the President. That sounds like dictatorial powers to me.

ddickey

(34 posts)
20. A similar article
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:14 PM
Jan 2012

I wrote a similar article about this just last night, which can be found here: http://nonobsense.blogspot.com/2012/01/national-defense-authorization-act-ndaa.html

I don't know if posting links to your own blog is appropriate. If not, let me know and I'll delete this.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
27. No one who signed this bill will get my vote come election time.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 02:01 PM
Jan 2012

Period. And that includes Barbara Boxer.

There are times you have to say "enough is enough" and a stand must be made. This is one of those times.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
29. I'm with you
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:04 PM
Jan 2012

and that makes me sad as I have appreciated a lot of what Boxer has done however this is too much and too big to let slide.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
31. I've voted for her every election -
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:29 PM
Jan 2012

but I plan on calling her offices and telling they WHY I will not vote for her this time. She needs to hear this.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
33. yea let's give it all to the gop. surely they'll handle this much more to our liking
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:35 PM
Jan 2012

like carly fiorina who ran against her last time.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
37. I am amazed and grateful that this thread is still kicking
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:56 PM
Jan 2012

perhaps DU will survive, in spite of its changes.

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
39. OMG.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:05 PM
Jan 2012
...so today I warn that one cannot name a nation that gave the military the power to make civilian arrests and hold citizens in military detention, that did not almost at once turn that power almost against members of that nation’s own political ruling class.

OMG, OMG, OMG. What a time we're in for unless we can turn this around. How did I wake up in a nascent totalitarian state?

Her explanation is equally graphic:

This makes sense — the obverse sense of a democracy, in which power protects you; political power endangers you in a militarized police state: the more powerful a political leader is, the more can be gained in a militarized police state by pressuring, threatening or even arresting him or her...
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