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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:39 AM May 2013

A progressive defense of drones


As a liberal I was against drones reflexively. But the moral debate is more complicated than I'd realized

BY KIEL BRENNAN-MARQUEZ


In Thursday’s speech before the National Defense University, President Obama reflected on the concerns about “morality and accountability” raised by drone strikes. Emphasizing the importance of “clear guidelines” and intelligence gathering to properly “constrain” the use of drones, the president also maintained a firm stance on their necessity: Even though drone strikes sometimes result in civilian casualties, in many circumstances they remain the most effective option for realizing specific military objectives.

As a liberal, I’m against drones essentially by reflex. At least, I used to be. Recently, I’ve begun to reconsider that view; and I’m no longer sure where I come down on the morality of drone strikes. Disturbing as I find state-sponsored violence, when drones do the killing instead of soldiers, it seems apparent that we have an easier time recognizing the violence as horrific. War, in its traditional form, distorts our moral reasoning. Drones do not. And as much it grates against my broader political commitments to say so, this is plainly a benefit of drone warfare, other shortcomings notwithstanding.

Many detractors have pointed out that drone strikes, because they put none of our soldiers in harm’s way, are “less costly.” Without our own lives on the line, the theory goes, leaders will feel little compunction — not even the minimal compunction of political exposure — about condemning other human beings to death, especially when those other human beings live many thousands of miles away. To me, this critique seems undeniably right: the numbness that results from using machines rather than soldiers to carry out our dirty work is obviously a moral shortcoming of drone warfare. Simply put, when violence is employed more easily, it will also be employed more often. Hence the nightmarish image of an 18-year-old drone operator basically playing video games from the detached safety of a Nevada bunker.

But there is another moral dimension to drone warfare, running in the opposite direction, which I fear has been lost in the haze of (rightful) outcry. For the same reason that drone warfare stands to make violence easier to deploy — none of our lives are on the line — it also makes violence harder to rationalize. The pain and death of drone strikes, unlike the pain and death of traditional missions, can draw no comfort from narratives of heroism. Destruction wrought by machines is neither noble nor grand. It’s asinine, and unfailingly repugnant. This means that drone strikes must be justified on their own terms, without recourse to war’s long-standing mystification. In a world where we apotheosize soldiers, and rope off their actions from everyday opprobrium, it’s important to consider whether the banal violence of machines might be preferable to the lionized violence of men.

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http://www.salon.com/2013/05/24/a_progressive_defense_of_drones/
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A progressive defense of drones (Original Post) DonViejo May 2013 OP
A majority of the public continues to support the program. Life Long Dem May 2013 #1
Rationalization pmorlan1 May 2013 #2
sadly, if no American troops die, other deaths don't register here. yurbud May 2013 #3
Yes, it assumes killing is necessary. JayhawkSD May 2013 #4
NO NO NO blkmusclmachine May 2013 #5
 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
1. A majority of the public continues to support the program.
Fri May 24, 2013, 12:45 PM
May 2013
"As a liberal, I’m against drones essentially by reflex. At least, I used to be. Recently, I’ve begun to reconsider that view;"



http://www.people-press.org/2013/02/11/continued-support-for-u-s-drone-strikes/

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
2. Rationalization
Fri May 24, 2013, 01:17 PM
May 2013

The use of drones is even worse because now that we can safely kill people without risk to our soldiers it's easier for the American people to ignore the killings. At least with soldiers the American people occasionally took a second look at war policies because of casualties on our side. What's more the fact that we are using this technology makes it much easier for other countries to do the same to us.

I think the author of this piece was just looking for a way to support Obama's heavy use of drones. I'm not buying it.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
4. Yes, it assumes killing is necessary.
Sat May 25, 2013, 12:59 AM
May 2013

The defense of drones that says "it's better than puttting American lives at risk" is based on the assumption that killing people in violation of the sovreignty of allied nations and in abrogation of human rights is something that is inevitable. It presents a choice between killing with risk and killing without risk, and does not consider the option of not killing; of respecting the sovreignty of other nations; of adhering to the human rights that we claim to value.

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