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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 12:54 PM Aug 2013

Edward Snowden's leaks are a grave threat to US national security by John Bolton

Edward Snowden's revelations regarding highly sensitive US techniques for gathering foreign-intelligence continue roiling Washington. And because Snowden combined elements of truth swirled together with paranoid speculation, outright lies and pure hype, reviving a rational discussion has been hard.

Snowden's sympathizers and anti-American activists have so far largely controlled his story line. But that is changing, and with it, the likely tenor of the debate over whether Snowden is a hero or a traitor.

Snowden initially violated his oath to safeguard the national security secrets entrusted to him by revealing National Security Agency (NSA) programs arguably affecting the privacy of US citizens. The second wave of leaks, however, involved purported American cyber-intelligence activities globally and against China. Snowden claimed there were more than 61,000 US hacking operations globally, with hundreds of them directed at China and Hong Kong, and implied the existence of numerous other activities to surveil and counter Beijing's growing cyber-warfare capabilities.

Publicizing America's alleged intelligence-collection programs against China may not be identical to Philip Agee revealing the identities of US clandestine operatives, thereby endangering their lives, but it is close. We do not yet know whether Snowden jeopardized US agents, but vital sources and methods of intelligence gathering and operations are clearly at risk. In cyber terms, this is akin to Benedict Arnold scheming to betray West Point's defenses to the British, thereby allowing them to seize a key American fortification, splitting the colonies geographically at a critical point during the American Revolution.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/18/edward-snowden-leaks-grave-threat

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Edward Snowden's leaks are a grave threat to US national security by John Bolton (Original Post) bemildred Aug 2013 OP
nothing ablamj Aug 2013 #1
I think someones slip is showing. ret5hd Aug 2013 #3
What? ablamj Aug 2013 #6
It means someone is accidentally revealing something that they don't want revealed. ret5hd Aug 2013 #9
and ablamj Aug 2013 #16
No, I was agreeing with you and made the comment in reference to the OP. ret5hd Aug 2013 #17
Oh ablamj Aug 2013 #18
When Bolton is displeased, I am very pleased. ;) eom Purveyor Aug 2013 #2
Some interesting admissions in his argument. bemildred Aug 2013 #7
Oh...My...God...The Cheney admin doesn't like Snowden Doctor_J Aug 2013 #4
I got it - a new vanity post..."I STAND WITH BOLTON" Doctor_J Aug 2013 #5
John Bolton is not a credible source. He's a relic. PDJane Aug 2013 #8
Bolten? Why would you post this shit? bowens43 Aug 2013 #10
I'm a conservative troll. bemildred Aug 2013 #11
LOL. I love it when protests are lodged over OP's. It is like some are forced to click on the link Purveyor Aug 2013 #13
Quite. It's just a bunch of talk anyway. It's one of the things we come here for. bemildred Aug 2013 #14
An odiferous gas bubble escapes a quivering blob of santorum. Scuba Aug 2013 #12
Edward Snowden´s leaks have created a grave threat to U.S. National Security ehcross Aug 2013 #15
There is no need to read past the words John Bolton and no need to look at W's cat pictures. n/t xocet Aug 2013 #19
I'm not going to pay any attention to anything that blowhard a-hole Bolton says struggle4progress Aug 2013 #20
Bolton is the Assassin of truth polynomial Aug 2013 #21
John Bolton says Snowden leaks were bad for the US? BillyRibs Aug 2013 #22
+1. bemildred Aug 2013 #23
Plamegate: The John Bolton Connection BridgeTheGap Aug 2013 #24
Edward Snowden's leaks are a grave threat to US national security by John Bolton ehcross Aug 2013 #25
You're really pitbulling this, aren't you? Link Speed Aug 2013 #26
Oh for fucksakes! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #27
koo koo kachoo nt grasswire Aug 2013 #28

ret5hd

(20,482 posts)
9. It means someone is accidentally revealing something that they don't want revealed.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:13 PM
Aug 2013

My guess is that you're quite a bit younger than me, as it used to be a common saying.

ablamj

(333 posts)
16. and
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:56 PM
Aug 2013

you're saying that about me? I know what the saying means I just don't understand why you said it in reply to my post. What am I revealing about myself? Or if you are referring to John Bolton then I still don't get it because I refuse to read anything he writes so I didn't read the article.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
4. Oh...My...God...The Cheney admin doesn't like Snowden
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:01 PM
Aug 2013

Maybe dead-eye will shotgun Snowden in the face when he repatriates. No, wait...he only shoots his friends.

Seriously the fact that this is posted at DU makes irony an obsolete concept.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
8. John Bolton is not a credible source. He's a relic.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:07 PM
Aug 2013

Like Bill Kristol, he's never been right about anything.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
13. LOL. I love it when protests are lodged over OP's. It is like some are forced to click on the link
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:58 PM
Aug 2013

and scared to death they are so weak that they may be 'brainwashed' by propaganda.

Of course you know I get this all the time and take pride in interjecting different viewpoints into the discussions.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. Quite. It's just a bunch of talk anyway. It's one of the things we come here for.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:02 PM
Aug 2013

Let's not take ourselves to seriously, that's Republican thinking.

 

ehcross

(166 posts)
15. Edward Snowden´s leaks have created a grave threat to U.S. National Security
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:34 PM
Aug 2013

The United States, as the world leader, naturally has invested considerable resources in assets that are designed for capturing intelligence information. This is a practice that all countries, in one way or another, endeavor in an effort to enhance their national security.

Edward Snowden had a serious responsibility to handle such information on a top-secret basis. He had accepted such endeavor with an oath to respect secrecy and, obviously, avoid leaks. But he decided otherwise, and undertook a serious breach of his oath, by making public some of the most sensitive top secret information on his reach.

The reaction of Americans has been mixed, with a substantial segment of the population hailing Snowden as a hero, clearly reflecting their anger at the government "spying" on them.

But the PRISM program, operated by the National Security Agency (NSA), also offers the capacity to detect threats to the national security of the U.S., allowing Americans to enjoy
security protection against a repeat of the 9/11 tragedy.

Edward Snowden, very loudly, told the world of his purported findings. But failed suspiciously to present the power of Prism as probably the best tool to defend the United States and its allies around the world, a fine product of top American ingenuity.

America´s enemies are busy celebrating Snowden´s betrayal of his own country!



polynomial

(750 posts)
21. Bolton is the Assassin of truth
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:05 AM
Aug 2013

Bolton gives value to the wretched shame, lies, corruption, all around profiteering policy of the Bush/ Cheney swindle in the new millennium.

Every time Bolton appears it should be cherished and savored as a fine selected wine that we the people know Bush and Cheney drink to as too big to fail is forever remembered in recorded history. The premium profiteering, the special pinot noir, sold by the commercial specials, by our complicit media, where money is called free speech compliments of the Supreme Courtiers.

Let Bolton blow as hard as he wants to, please give Bolton the space to continue the sham, swindle, deception, we the people know he is expert at.

Bolton knows how to make those derivative bubbles for a Sanvangue Sunday meeting. Add a twist of lime for a Gaussian banking bubble bust. Best of all that dark, dark, Burgundy to bomb away voting rights anywhere in the world.

 

BillyRibs

(787 posts)
22. John Bolton says Snowden leaks were bad for the US?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 03:47 AM
Aug 2013

That means they were good for the people. That man is the biggest bull shit artist I know.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
23. +1.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 09:17 AM
Aug 2013

More to the point, there is no place for John Bolton, for the war lovers, in a transparent political world.

 

ehcross

(166 posts)
25. Edward Snowden's leaks are a grave threat to US national security by John Bolton
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 07:04 PM
Aug 2013

Edward Snowden´s revelations regarding American techniques for gathering intelligence have created either repulsion by some, or simply, indifference, by others. This is exactly what Edward Snowden wanted.

There may have been several reasons that would explain Snowden´s wild behaviour, ranging from a true sense of guilt for doing whatever his job required of him, to a conscious effort to achieve a degree of notoriety. In any case, Snowden had the choice of simply quitting his job and finding another.

But Snowden was probably tempted by the prospect of becoming famous and decided to grab the opportunity. He well knew how he could create havoc inside the National Security Agency, and thus the U.S. government. His travels have been worth a thriller, sure to be written soon.

As for the impact of Snowden´s actions, the U.S. government still has the PRISM program, which allows for
the high-quality surveilance that is required for the detection and monitoring of Al-kaeda operations across the world. Snowden might have been smart in his effort to play chicken with the U.S. government, but after his prolonged visit to the Russian´s bear yard he will eventually have to step up and pay his debt.

Snowden will be remembered by his role in the development of PRISM, as well as for his shameful betrayal
of his own country.





Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
27. Oh for fucksakes!
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 07:24 PM
Aug 2013
In cyber terms, this is akin to Benedict Arnold scheming to betray West Point's defenses to the British, thereby allowing them to seize a key American fortification, splitting the colonies geographically at a critical point during the American Revolution.

Yeah John, it is just like that! The only thing this guy has ever been good at is being wrong about everything!
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