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Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:27 PM Sep 2013

Popular Leather Sofa Falls Apart, Customers Complain..Today News.. (Jennifer Convertibles)

http://www.today.com/news/popular-leather-sofas-fall-apart-customers-complain-8C11073452

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This is about a furniture store that does not keep its word ...Jennifer Convertibles.

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Jeff Rossen and Josh Davis
September 5, 2013


Rose Zapotochny bought a leather sofa from Jennifer Convertibles in 2005 for nearly $1,700. But she says that within a year, it was already falling apart. “You sit on the couch and when you get up, parts of it peel off,” she said.

And it turns out she's not alone: Scores of customers are complaining about clumps of leather peeling away from couches sold by Jennifer Convertibles around the country. And many of those customers were sold a protection plan they believed would cover any problem.


Zapotochny paid $200 for her warranty. "Bumper to bumper," she said. "That's what they told me." But in the fine print, the warranty excludes "cracking and peeling."

TODAY cameras went undercover at two stores to see if the company's salespeople would disclose that exception. At one, the clerk got it right, admitting that wear and tear isn't covered, even if the leather starts cracking. "They don't cover that part," he said... But at a different Jennifer Convertibles, the saleswoman did not mention the exception. "We do have a protection plan for five years so if something happens, food and beverages, rips, cuts, tears, punctures, they're all covered: They get you a brand new sofa within five years," she said. "Definitely you should get the protection plan."

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Popular Leather Sofa Falls Apart, Customers Complain..Today News.. (Jennifer Convertibles) (Original Post) Stuart G Sep 2013 OP
i`d bet a dollar those hides came from china madrchsod Sep 2013 #1
I have a 25+ year old leather jacket that is 99% intact. onehandle Sep 2013 #2
So what would you guess is going on here? Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #3
i looked at some pieces of thin shoe leather i have. madrchsod Sep 2013 #7
Leather, "denim", silk, even cotton, if it comes out of China, it's shit. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #6
If these "leather" couches KT2000 Sep 2013 #4
Geez, they should call it cow-bit covered vinyl. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #5
Related, sadly. proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #8
UPDATE. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #9
More. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #10
EWG PRESS RELEASE: Chemical Company Sues California Over Flame Retardants proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #11
Thank You for your updates, and an interesting perspective Stuart G Jan 2014 #12
Apparently, there is more to this issue than meets the eye of typical consumers - it's not over yet. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #13
Dr. Oz, 12/18/13: The Toxic Flame Retardants in Your Home Right Now (3 parts) proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #15
Made in China crap. jsr Jan 2014 #14

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
1. i`d bet a dollar those hides came from china
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:36 PM
Sep 2013

i upholstered for 10 yrs and real leather hides do not separate.

never buy upholstered furniture made in china

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
2. I have a 25+ year old leather jacket that is 99% intact.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:38 PM
Sep 2013

A friend of mine bought a leather jacket last year, and it is peeling and shredding.

'Made In China'

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
3. So what would you guess is going on here?
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:59 PM
Sep 2013

I know nothing about leather but even *I* would think that it was some sort of bait and switch if my couch started peeling after 5 years.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
6. Leather, "denim", silk, even cotton, if it comes out of China, it's shit.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 02:10 PM
Sep 2013

One of the lessons we don't seem to teach any more is, "if it's cheap, it's too expensive."

KT2000

(20,572 posts)
4. If these "leather" couches
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 01:00 PM
Sep 2013

are the same as some featured on Peoples Court they are actually a leather product coating vinyl backing. The judge contacted the leather furniture industry group and they are conflicted as to whether or not it should even be called leather.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
9. UPDATE.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:14 AM
Dec 2013
http://www.psr.org/environment-and-health/environmental-health-policy-institute/flame-retardants.html

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Welcome to PSR's Environmental Health Policy Institute, where we ask questions -- then we ask the experts to answer them. Join us as physicians, health professionals, and environmental health experts share their ideas, inspiration, and analysis about toxic chemicals and environmental health policy.

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Pamela K. Miller
Ami Zota, ScD, MS


Flame Retardants: Is California's Victory the End of This Story?
Posted by Kathy Attar


Babies born in the U.S. have in their bodies the highest average concentrations of flame retardant chemicals of any infants in the world. How did this come to be? For decades, manufacturers have treated furniture cushions and upholstery with toxic chemicals to comply with a flammability standard set by a lone state, California.

Our latest Environmental Health Policy Institute looks at how this standard -- and the tons of toxic flame retardant chemicals it brought into our homes and lives -- affect our health and the health of our children. Exposure to flame-retardant chemicals has been linked to reproductive and developmental toxicity, hormonal disruption, immunotoxicity, lowered IQ and cancer. Many of these chemicals persist in the environment and can move up the food chain to reside in humans. One example is the polybrominated diphenyl ethers (PBDE), a class of flame retardants; high levels of this chemical are found in the maternal blood serum of indigenous women of Alaska. Research also reveals that competitive gymnasts in the U.S. have three times the level of brominated flame retardant PentaBDE, in their bodies compared to the general population, due to its presence in gym mats. Read our Institute and find out more about flame retardants’ persistent and bio-accumulative nature and dangerous health effects.

Fortunately, the flammability standard was recently rejected by California Governor Jerry Brown, due primarily to the advocacy activities of a group of scientists and public health advocates. California’s victory will most likely have national implications as manufacturers no longer have to meet this outdated standard.

Read on to learn more about the campaign’s successes, as well as the current and future health implications of exposure to toxic flame retardants.

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http://www.capradio.org/articles/2013/11/21/california-governor-jerry-brown-announces-new-furniture-flammability-standards/

California Governor Jerry Brown Announces New Furniture Flammability Standards
By Max Pringle


California Governor Jerry Brown has announced the approval of new state furniture flammability standards that will reduce the required levels of chemical flame retardants. Some retardants can pose a health risk.

(Sacramento, CA)
Thursday, November 21, 2013


Russ Heimerich with the California Department of Consumer Affairs says prior flammability tests focused on the insides of furniture, while the new tests focus on areas where smoldering cigarettes and other heat sources would pose the greatest risk.

“They can either prove to us that their covering fabric meets the smolder test, or if it doesn’t, that they have a barrier underneath that covering fabric that does meet a smolder test,” says Heimerich.

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proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
10. More.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:17 AM
Dec 2013
http://www.montereyherald.com/news/ci_24576238/state-briefs-bart-board-rejects-family-leave-provision

The Monterey County Herald
POSTED: 11/21/2013 08:38:12 PM PST
UPDATED: 11/21/2013 09:36:11 PM PST

SACRAMENTO

State adopts new flammability rules

California on Thursday adopted new flammability standards for furniture and other products that would allow manufacturers to stop using chemical flame retardants.

Gov. Jerry Brown said the new standards were a badly needed update to nearly 40-year-old rules that led to the widespread use of chemicals known as PBDEs to treat the foam found inside furniture.

Brown said the new standards will keep furniture in homes fire-safe while limiting chemical exposure.

The rules require manufacturers to be in compliance by Jan. 1, 2015.


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proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
11. EWG PRESS RELEASE: Chemical Company Sues California Over Flame Retardants
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.ewg.org/release/chemical-company-sues-california-over-flame-retardants

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: FRIDAY, JANUARY 17, 2014

Chemical Company Sues California Over Flame Retardants


Oakland, Calif. – The chemical company Chemtura sued the state of California yesterday seeking to block new fire safety regulations that would permit furniture production without toxic flame retardants.

The new rules, which Gov. Jerry Brown put into force last November would allow furniture manufacturers to meet California’s fire safety standards without using fire retardants chemicals, including those manufactured by Chemtura.

"This lawsuit is a blatant attempt to protect the company's profits under the guise of concern for public safety," said Renee Sharp, EWG's director of research. "If successful, this lawsuit would undermine one of the most important environmental and public health victories of 2013 – Gov. Brown’s move to revamp the state's outdated and problematic fire safety standards. Previous fire safety rules did not effectively protect us from fire dangers, but they did contaminate our bodies and those of our children with chemicals linked to cancer and other serious dangers to health.”

The new regulations are expected to have a significant impact nationwide for Chemtura’ future profits because California, with 10 percent of the U.S. population, has so much purchasing power that most furniture makers fabricate their products to comply with the state’s flammability standards.

In 2012, as he began to overhaul the state’s fire safety law, Brown cited a groundbreaking 2008 EWG study that found that concentrations of fire retardants in children’s blood three times higher than in their mothers’ blood. The reason: children typically play on the floor and come into contact with fire retardant chemicals shed by treated foam furniture.

EWG has been investigating the toxicity of fire retardants in furniture since 2003. That year, EWG tests found one class of toxic fire retardants called PBDEs in the breast milk of 20 American mothers at an average concentration 75 times higher than in European mothers. This dramatic difference was attributed to California’s inflexible fire safety rules. The state legislature subsequently banned PBDEs, and several other states enacted their own restrictions. Eventually PBDEs were phased out across the U.S., but use of other fire retardants continued unabated.

Recently, tests by scientists and consumer advocates found that California’s fire safety rules had triggered widespread use of chemical fire retardants in couches, car seats, changing table pads and other baby products across the country. Chlorinated tris has replaced PBDEs in many cases, even though California regulators have formally labeled this chemical as a carcinogen. Firemaster 550, another replacement for PBDEs, is suspected of disrupting the hormone system.

The new California regulations will allow manufacturers to use safer technologies such as fire-resistant fabrics in place of chemically treated foam. Baby products will no longer be required to contain fire retardants, since they are deemed unlikely to cause a serious house fire.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
12. Thank You for your updates, and an interesting perspective
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jan 2014

on fabrics in furniture. A perspective that most of us would never have thought of. At least I sure wouldn't.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
15. Dr. Oz, 12/18/13: The Toxic Flame Retardants in Your Home Right Now (3 parts)
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/toxic-flame-retardants-your-home-right-now

The Toxic Flame Retardants in Your Home Right Now
Originally aired on 12/18/2013


PART 1 (5:53)
PART 2 (4:47)
PART 3 (3:18)

Toxic flame-retardant chemicals can be found in your chairs, sofas – even your baby furniture. Investigative reporter Elisabeth Leamy joins Dr. Oz to sound the alarm on their dangers. Plus, the safe furniture to buy.

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