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Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 05:39 AM Sep 2013

The Heretic by Tim Doody (Amazing Read Concerning LSD Use)

This is a very long but amazing read.

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What happened to Dorothy Fadiman that morning? How about Francis Crick and the people with cancer in the anxiety studies? Staunch materialists might argue that exogenous, psychotropic molecules had simply transformed their three pounds of gelatinous gray head muscle into funhouses for a few hours. But Ms. Fadiman, Crick, and most study volunteers say something quite different—that the psychedelics they ingested acted as a sort of antenna, allowing them to receive rather profound transmissions that they couldn’t typically access during their ordinary states of consciousness. Such a claim is not without precedent.

Ever since people first altered their surroundings with celestially aligned rocks, they’ve also been altering their inner landscapes. Though Albert Hofmann’s recipe is entirely modern, tribes and other pre-industrial societies from Australia to Mesopotamia have long been mixing the medicine into brews, snuffs, and powders. In rituals, often of a collective nature, they’ve ingested these substances and then sung, drummed, and channeled to access insights, archetypal beings, and alternate realities. While these societies are as eclectic as orchids, they share at least one characteristic: Their rituals have served as an axis mundi, a psychic compass that simultaneously situates and provides direction to both individual and community. As a result, matter and consciousness are experienced as entwined, purposeful, and sacred.

On stage and page, Fadiman has argued that, in marked contrast, most members of post-industrial societies perceive themselves as happenstance cogs in a clockwork universe, and consequently, exhibit a profound and increasingly dangerous alienation. The dissociation of self is so fundamental that bioregions are sub-divided into tract housing, resources into quarterly earnings, and people into one-percenters and the rest. For Fadiman at least, even traditional Western therapy, which seeks to re-align a sick individual to this worldview, must necessarily end in a cul-de-sac.

Marlene Dobkin de Rios, a medical anthropologist, has argued that there is a strong correlation between centralized power and psychedelic prohibition as authoritarian leaders have perennially associated these substances with insurrectionary tendencies. Indeed, whether in 17th-century Europe or 19th-century America, even as proponents of church and state enclosed communal lands and subjugated the inhabitants therein, they especially targeted those deemed most resistant to ideological control—the shamans, witches, magi, occultists, and others who concocted, imbibed, and distributed psychedelic substances, and believed themselves to be in an ongoing discourse with land, non-human species, and spirits.

The !Kung (tongue-click then “kung”) is one of the psychedelically-augmented, anarchistic societies that had survived these purges well into contemporary times. A nomadic people, they’d harmonized with the austere rhythms of the Kalahari Desert for thousands of years. Elizabeth Marshall Thomas, who lived with them during the 1950s, writes that the !Kung recognized an illness called “Star Sickness,” which could overcome members of the community with a force not unlike gravity and cause profound disorientation. Unable to situate themselves in the cosmos in a meaningful way, the afflicted displayed jealousy, hostility, and a marked incapacity for gift-giving—the very symptoms that plague many Westerners, according to Fadiman (and, certainly, quite a few others).


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Source: The Morning News
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The Heretic by Tim Doody (Amazing Read Concerning LSD Use) (Original Post) Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 OP
WTF is this saying? longship Sep 2013 #1
Please read the whole thing. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #2
And that is where our legends of the fall come from. nt bemildred Sep 2013 #3
Please explain. I'm not sure I understand. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #5
The exit from Eden, the bitter fruit of knowledge, the fall from the dream state. bemildred Sep 2013 #7
Thank you ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #8
I haven't read the entire article yet. Marking for later, but as far as the Fall.. truth2power Sep 2013 #14
Very interesting book that, strange book. bemildred Sep 2013 #15
Definitely sounds interesting ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #16
It's interesting that the !Kung see it as a weight, the "star sickness", something holding you down. bemildred Sep 2013 #9
I read it that someone would be afflicted with "star sickness" ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #10
No, "depression" works fine too. bemildred Sep 2013 #18
Yeah, it seems as the world got closer ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #20
Fascinating, and worth reading in its entirety. eShirl Sep 2013 #4
It is worth the entire read. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #6
Really enjoyed the article jollyreaper2112 Sep 2013 #11
Glad you enjoyed it. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #12
Has anyone sat down and watched "The Drug Years" that used to run on VH1 - all 4 episodes? Hestia Sep 2013 #13
Very interesting insights ... Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #17
Also check out Graham Hancock "Supernatural" Myrina Sep 2013 #19
Thanks, I'll check that out. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #21

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
5. Please explain. I'm not sure I understand.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:44 AM
Sep 2013

It's early, or I may be stupid, but I don't get the reference.

Thanks!

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. The exit from Eden, the bitter fruit of knowledge, the fall from the dream state.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:49 AM
Sep 2013
He called a little child and had him stand among them. And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.


Sorry, I am often too elliptic.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
14. I haven't read the entire article yet. Marking for later, but as far as the Fall..
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:48 PM
Sep 2013

Reminded me of a book i read a long time ago. "The Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the the Bicameral Mind". I swear, one to the most interesting books I've ever read.

It's about the Biblical fall as being a fall into consciousness. Don't know if that makes any sense.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
15. Very interesting book that, strange book.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:57 PM
Sep 2013

I keep coming back to it, like he was really on to something, yet I never felt it was quite right.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. It's interesting that the !Kung see it as a weight, the "star sickness", something holding you down.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:51 AM
Sep 2013

A "downer" in other words.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
10. I read it that someone would be afflicted with "star sickness" ...
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 10:36 AM
Sep 2013

... meaning depression, or behaving outside the norms of their society. That their antidote were the psychedelics to "cure" those afflicted with "star sickness."

Perhaps, I read that wrong.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
18. No, "depression" works fine too.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 08:03 AM
Sep 2013

Isolation would work too, I think, separateness, that sort of idea.

When I was young, i lived in a small farm community where everybody knew each other. I remember that feeling. I remember the feeling of loss when we moved to Los Angeles and I found that nobody cared any more, that I was now an outsider. That was plenty depressing.

An isolated human in the wild is most likely a short-lived human too, isolated humans are not normal humans. Yet that is more or less the modern ideal, our social affiliations mostly distant and abstract, and becoming more so. We have only begun to explore the emotional ground this opens up, and it is full of pitfalls and contradictions.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
6. It is worth the entire read.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:45 AM
Sep 2013

It's quite long, but yes, in order to really get the context of the article, you have to read the whole thing.

I'm glad you liked it.

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
11. Really enjoyed the article
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 12:22 PM
Sep 2013

And it gets to how centralized power of any kind helps to subvert the natural human connections we instinctually work from. Echoes the arguments of Graber with Debt the first 5000 years.

It takes a government or a religion or a corporation, on the big scale, to sever our ties of kinship and rationalize what we instinctively know is wrong. Kick a man out of his home because the bank sold his mortgage? It's not me saying so, it's the law. Blame it. The free market said I had to sell poison to children, otherwise our ipo might fail. It wasn't my idea! I was only following orders.

And these power structures are jealously guarded by those who sit at their heads. They will tolerate no threat.

Shit, look at pot. It grows wild but damn you if you smoke it. But we will put it in a pill that won't get you high and charge $40 a hit. And the British made the Indians buy salt from them. It took gahndi to take them to the sea and make salt for themselves.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
13. Has anyone sat down and watched "The Drug Years" that used to run on VH1 - all 4 episodes?
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 06:22 PM
Sep 2013

I bought the book that it was based on - What a Long Strange Trip it's Been. Peter Coyote is really frank and candid about his years in SF during the days of Haight-Asbury (sp?) and the Summer of Love.

Why TPTB hate the thought of psychedelics is that it/they promote Group Thought & Consciousness. Psychedelics help kick start a new through process in a society. Look at LSD with Owlsey Townsend (do I have his name right?) giving acid away to thousands of people at concerts. Look at how easy it was to get people together to protest the Vietnam War, Women's Rights, Minority Rights, etc. It and They changed society (and Cheney and Nixon HATED it! which is why pot is denigrated to this day).

What changed about it all is that Owlsey Townsend was busted and the CIA started bringing in heroin and speed to SF. People were there for the drugs not about change so everyone left.

It was happening again with the Raves and Ecstasy - had to nip that in the bud too - but there has been changes in society now for both good and ill.

I wonder if there will be a new psychedelic that people will use to kick start a new change. Psychedelics makes it easier to get more people on the same page than anything else. Something to think about...

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
19. Also check out Graham Hancock "Supernatural"
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 01:20 PM
Sep 2013

He's spent time in South America learning about Ayahuasca. Similar message & conclusions.

VERY interesting.

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