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Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 03:02 PM Nov 2013

Why even atheists should be praying for Pope Francis

That Obama poster on the wall, promising hope and change, is looking a little faded now. The disappointments, whether over drone warfare or a botched rollout of healthcare reform, have left the world's liberals and progressives searching for a new pin-up to take the US president's place. As it happens, there's an obvious candidate: the head of an organisation those same liberals and progressives have long regarded as sexist, homophobic and, thanks to a series of child abuse scandals, chillingly cruel. The obvious new hero of the left is the pope.

Only installed in March, Pope Francis has already become a phenomenon. His is the most talked-about name on the internet in 2013, ranking ahead of "Obamacare" and "NSA". In fourth place comes Francis's Twitter handle, @Pontifex. In Italy, Francesco has fast become the most popular name for new baby boys. Rome reports a surge in tourist numbers, while church attendance is said to be up – both trends attributed to "the Francis effect".

His popularity is not hard to fathom. The stories of his personal modesty have become the stuff of instant legend. He carries his own suitcase. He refused the grandeur of the papal palace, preferring to live in a simple hostel. When presented with the traditional red shoes of the pontiff, he declined; instead he telephoned his 81-year-old cobbler in Buenos Aires and asked him to repair his old ones. On Thursday, Francis visited the Italian president – arriving in a blue Ford Focus, with not a blaring siren to be heard.

Some will dismiss these acts as mere gestures, even publicity stunts. But they convey a powerful message, one of almost elemental egalitarianism. He is in the business of scraping away the trappings, the edifice of Vatican wealth accreted over centuries, and returning the church to its core purpose, one Jesus himself might have recognised. He says he wants to preside over "a poor church, for the poor". It's not the institution that counts, it's the mission.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/atheists-pope-francis-obama-liberal-voice-change

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Why even atheists should be praying for Pope Francis (Original Post) Redfairen Nov 2013 OP
To whom would we pray? pscot Nov 2013 #1
+1 Fearless Nov 2013 #2
My first question as well.... CherokeeDem Nov 2013 #3
Don't get me wrong pscot Nov 2013 #4
My oppinion will change when he apologises for homophobic bigotry, anti-choice BS, paedophilia, idwiyo Nov 2013 #5
Even if I wasn't an atheist procon Nov 2013 #6
+1 Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #8
Evidently Jonathan Freedland doesn't understand the core of atheism. searchingforlight Nov 2013 #7
He's OK for a Pope. Rozlee Nov 2013 #9
It's good to watch those acephalus morons squirm I admit... nt uriel1972 Nov 2013 #10
That would be "acephalous." Igel Nov 2013 #11

pscot

(21,024 posts)
4. Don't get me wrong
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 03:41 PM
Nov 2013

this is the first pope in a while who seems to have the remotest idea of what the New Testament was about. I wish him well. But one swallow doesn't make it summer. As an enterprise, religion in general and the catholic church in particular are still pretty fucked up.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
5. My oppinion will change when he apologises for homophobic bigotry, anti-choice BS, paedophilia,
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 03:58 PM
Nov 2013

and officially changes church policy toward full acceptance of all people, adopts pro-choice policy, makes sure all paedophiles are exposed and prosecuted, and their victims paid compensation.

Till that time he is just another bigot, and I hate bigots.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. Even if I wasn't an atheist
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:07 PM
Nov 2013

I'd object to comparing politicians and religious leaders.

Besides, the notion that as a liberal I must have a presidential "pin-up", let alone that I might want a pontifical "pin-up", is about as ridiculous as believing that the entrenched power brokers in the $$$ international religion biz are likely to adopt the humility of this pope.



Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
9. He's OK for a Pope.
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 09:47 PM
Nov 2013

In a historical context anyway. It won't make me rethink my status as a lapsed Catholic, well, atheist actually. I've got to admit, though. I'm highly entertained by the dismay being expressed by Sarah Palin, Pat Buchanan and the leader of the Catholic League, Bill Donohue. Francis is causing them much distress with his more liberal views on capitalism and consumerism as well as tolerance, if not acceptance, of many people they hate. I've got to admit, it's fun watching them squirm, especially the conservative Catholics. If he speaks out directly and strongly about the seriousness of climate change and other subjects like evolution, I'll enjoy it even more.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
11. That would be "acephalous."
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 11:01 PM
Nov 2013

And it doesn't mean "brainless." It means "headless."

Even "anencephalic" would have been more apropos. Strange, but closer.

Unless you really mean that those morons lack heads entirely. Sort of with little neck-stumps on their shoulders and nothing more. Perhaps a post-guillotine condition. Perhaps congenital. Or after a hanging that got a bit rambunctious. Still, it doesn't bode a life long enough to say even, "May have some pudding?"--presupposing that there was some way to pose the question in the absence of a buccal cavity other articulators and there was a way to shovel the dessert down the exposed esophageal opening without having it collapse.

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