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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 03:23 PM Dec 2013

Seymour M. Hersh - Whose sarin?

Barack Obama did not tell the whole story this autumn when he tried to make the case that Bashar al-Assad was responsible for the chemical weapons attack near Damascus on 21 August. In some instances, he omitted important intelligence, and in others he presented assumptions as facts. Most significant, he failed to acknowledge something known to the US intelligence community: that the Syrian army is not the only party in the country’s civil war with access to sarin, the nerve agent that a UN study concluded – without assessing responsibility – had been used in the rocket attack. In the months before the attack, the American intelligence agencies produced a series of highly classified reports, culminating in a formal Operations Order – a planning document that precedes a ground invasion – citing evidence that the al-Nusra Front, a jihadi group affiliated with al-Qaida, had mastered the mechanics of creating sarin and was capable of manufacturing it in quantity. When the attack occurred al-Nusra should have been a suspect, but the administration cherry-picked intelligence to justify a strike against Assad.

In his nationally televised speech about Syria on 10 September, Obama laid the blame for the nerve gas attack on the rebel-held suburb of Eastern Ghouta firmly on Assad’s government, and made it clear he was prepared to back up his earlier public warnings that any use of chemical weapons would cross a ‘red line’: ‘Assad’s government gassed to death over a thousand people,’ he said. ‘We know the Assad regime was responsible … And that is why, after careful deliberation, I determined that it is in the national security interests of the United States to respond to the Assad regime’s use of chemical weapons through a targeted military strike.’ Obama was going to war to back up a public threat, but he was doing so without knowing for sure who did what in the early morning of 21 August.

He cited a list of what appeared to be hard-won evidence of Assad’s culpability: ‘In the days leading up to August 21st, we know that Assad’s chemical weapons personnel prepared for an attack near an area where they mix sarin gas. They distributed gas masks to their troops. Then they fired rockets from a regime-controlled area into 11 neighbourhoods that the regime has been trying to wipe clear of opposition forces.’ Obama’s certainty was echoed at the time by Denis McDonough, his chief of staff, who told the New York Times: ‘No one with whom I’ve spoken doubts the intelligence’ directly linking Assad and his regime to the sarin attacks.

But in recent interviews with intelligence and military officers and consultants past and present, I found intense concern, and on occasion anger, over what was repeatedly seen as the deliberate manipulation of intelligence. One high-level intelligence officer, in an email to a colleague, called the administration’s assurances of Assad’s responsibility a ‘ruse’. The attack ‘was not the result of the current regime’, he wrote. A former senior intelligence official told me that the Obama administration had altered the available information – in terms of its timing and sequence – to enable the president and his advisers to make intelligence retrieved days after the attack look as if it had been picked up and analysed in real time, as the attack was happening. The distortion, he said, reminded him of the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, when the Johnson administration reversed the sequence of National Security Agency intercepts to justify one of the early bombings of North Vietnam. The same official said there was immense frustration inside the military and intelligence bureaucracy: ‘The guys are throwing their hands in the air and saying, “How can we help this guy” – Obama – “when he and his cronies in the White House make up the intelligence as they go along?”’

http://www.lrb.co.uk/2013/12/08/seymour-m-hersh/whose-sarin

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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
1. Sy Hersh Writing about Politicized Intelligence Again, Syria Edition
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 03:32 PM
Dec 2013

Sy Hersh has a long piece in the London Review of Books accusing the Obama Administration of cherry-picking intelligence to present its case that Bashar al-Assad launched the chemical weapons attack on August 21.

To be clear, Hersh does not say that Assad did not launch the attack. Nor does he say al-Nusra carried out the attack. Rather, he shows that:

- See more at: http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/12/08/sy-hersh-writing-about-politicized-intelligence-again-syria-edition/

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
2. Hersh broke My Lai, the US allowing Taliban & al Qaeda leaders to escape Tora Bora, & Abu Ghraib
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 12:42 PM
Dec 2013

He is an unimpeachable source.

The only reason this isn't getting more attention here could be that no one is surprised by our leaders behaving like this now.

People seem to realize that those at the top decide where and when they want to go to war, and look for excuses. If they can't find a plausible one, they make one up or manipulate our "enemy" into doing something stupid.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. Blind faith in authority figures is best
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 12:23 AM
Dec 2013

left to North Korea.

ask the people who led the war with Iran about how unimpeachable he is. Hersh was predicting that for almost a decade. Derp.

If Obama really, really wanted to bomb Syria, he would have.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
5. Washington has been looking for a way to do it for a decade, but has been blocked by
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 03:54 AM
Dec 2013

Iran's unwillingness to do anything stupid on the international scene, resistance in the Pentagon and intel communities, and hopefully resistance from the public.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. Washington died 200 years ago.
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 08:09 AM
Dec 2013

The bomb Iran crowd inside the White House under Bush ( I.e. Cheney) lost favor with even aWol as of 2006 at the latest, and there's been no prominent advocate of war with Iran in the executive branch under Obama.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
9. our Iran policy was on autopilot toward war then until Kerry made this recent deal
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 08:30 PM
Dec 2013

It could have been that Obama disagreed but was "slow-walking" it until he could figure out how to get out of it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. If policy were on autopilot towards war, there would not have been
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 08:32 PM
Dec 2013

these negotiations in the first place.

It's incoherent to claim that Obama thwarted his own desire for war by pursuing diplomacy.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
11. Read all of what I said: he might have been "slow walking" while looking for a way out
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 01:03 PM
Dec 2013

just as he has to keep up the talk of sanctions while dialing them down.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
13. he was keeping up the belligerent talk that went on under Bush. Iran's nuclear program is no threat
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:35 AM
Dec 2013

to us or Israel even if they decide to make a bomb.

To the extent that nukes are an issue, it is only that it would complicate or even prevent military action against Iran if Iran had them.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
3. This is quite a read!
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 04:52 PM
Dec 2013

I've wondered why there wasn't more speculation about Obama and Kerry's abrupt turn around on the Invasion of Syria. I remember seeing the "Former Generals" lined up on CNN talking about how we would manage the strike. It was like "countdown to war." Yet, I remember that the Generals: McCaffery and another well known one...were not enthused about this.

Hersh also talks about the NSA intelligence and how it failed us.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
8. generals on the defense contractor teat were probably the advocates and
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 02:51 PM
Dec 2013

those who have actually wargamed out the consequences are the ones who keep throwing monkey wrenches in the machine.

Those generals jamming the gears to prevent a world war will join the list of little known heroes who saved the world by NOT pushing the button to launch during the Cold War even when their SOP demanded that it was time to or Smedley Butler who blew the whistle on a coup against FDR.

Maybe if we ever get our shit together politically, those guys will be better known than generals famous for sucking up to politicians and killing our troops and other countries people for no good reason.

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