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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:15 PM Mar 2014

UN: Syria starving people into submission


UN condemns what it calls Syria government "starvation until submission" campaign, saying 250,000 people are trapped.

Last updated: 05 Mar 2014 12:55

Syrian government forces are waging a campaign of siege warfare and starvation against civilians as part of a military strategy, according to a United Nations report.

The UN's independent Commission of Inquiry said on Wednesday that Syrians were being "denied humanitarian aid, food and such basic necessities as medical care, and must choose between surrender and starvation".

The report condemned what it called a "starvation until submission campaign."

The commission said more than 250,000 people remain under siege in Syria, with the report covering a litany of war crimes and crimes against humanity carried out by both sides from mid-July last year to January 20.

It singled out 20,000 people trapped in Yarmouk refugee camp with no food or medical supplies, according to the AFP news agency.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/03/un-syria-starving-people-into-submission-201435113122634706.html

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UN: Syria starving people into submission (Original Post) Jefferson23 Mar 2014 OP
this story is crap quadrature Mar 2014 #1
What exactly is crap as reported by the UN? Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #2
The nature of war has changed, which is bleak news for Syria’s minorities Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #3
Why has the outcome of revolutions that started with such high hopes been so toxic? Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #4
 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
1. this story is crap
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 04:24 PM
Mar 2014

in civil war.
when you hold territory,
you are responsible.

the (various factions of)rebels want to hold territory
with the idea of being in control
when hostility stops.

in the meantime, they want the other rebel-factions to
do the fighting, and they don't feel like
supplying food to their subjects.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
3. The nature of war has changed, which is bleak news for Syria’s minorities
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:41 PM
Mar 2014
World View: Once the vicious forces of sectarian strife are unleashed, it is nearly impossible to keep them in check



A new kind of war is developing. It is very different from the mass conflict of the First World War when governments mobilised millions of men and vast industrial resources. Wars have got smaller, but are equally and, on occasions, more vicious than in the past. Not all are identical, but armed conflicts in Chechnya, Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya have many traits in common and not only because people in these countries are largely Muslim, with the exception of the Balkans.

Straightforward invasions of another country have become less common, the last being the US and British invasion of Iraq in 2003. Its disastrous outcome has made it more difficult to repeat such ventures even when governments want to. Witness the unexpected but irresistible wave of public hostility in the US and UK last September to armed intervention in Syria. In both cases the political and military establishments were split on the wisdom of engaging in another war in the Middle East.

Wars these days are proxy wars to a greater or lesser degree, and this trend may increase if only because it is more saleable to voters back home. A prime example of this was the overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya in 2011 by a Nato-backed campaign in which the Libyan rebel militiamen, who dominated the television screens, acted as a mopping-up force in the wake of devastating air attacks.

Human rights abuses have become a standard justification for foreign interventions and accounts of these abuses may well be true. But media reporting of them tends to be unbalanced, often misleading and occasionally fabricated. In Libya, the well-publicised story of mass rape by the Libyan army was exposed as a fake by human rights organisations. The original excuse for Nato air intervention was to prevent Gaddafi’s forces from massacring the opposition in Benghazi. But former rebels, now members of all-powerful militias, really did massacre demonstrators on two different occasions in Benghazi and Tripoli without foreign governments showing more than a flicker of interest.

In Syria, there should likewise be wariness in dealing with atrocity allegations. Clearly, the Syrian government forces are systematically devastating and depopulating rebel-held areas with artillery fire, aerial bombing and bulldozers. They are besieging and starving civilians in rebel-held enclaves such as Yarmouk Camp, the Old City of Homs and elsewhere.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-nature-of-war-has-changed-which-is-bleak-news-for-syrias-minorities-9162694.html

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. Why has the outcome of revolutions that started with such high hopes been so toxic?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:53 PM
Mar 2014

Since 1999, I have covered Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria, and in each case the armed opposition has progressively undergone criminalisation and what might be called “Talibanisation”. The circumstances are not identical, but the similarities are striking.

A reason for the Talibanisation is that only Islam appears capable of mobilising people prepared to fight to the death. This is important because wars are determined not by the number of people supporting a cause, but by the number prepared to die for it. Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, national causes were often led by communists, who might begin as a small minority, as they did in the Spanish Civil War, but rapidly expanded because of their organisation and fanatical commitment.

In the Middle East, there is a failing common to beleaguered regimes and their secular opponents that weakens them both. The old nationalist rulers of Egypt, Syria, Libya and Iraq from Nasser on justified their monopoly of political and economic power by claiming that only thus could they make national self-determination a reality. In the early stages they had their successes: Nasser triumphed over Britain and France in the Suez crisis in 1956; Gaddafi took over and raised the price of Libya’s oil in 1973, and Hafez al-Assad successfully confronted Israel in Lebanon in the 1970s and 1980s. By 2011, however, these governments had turned into self-serving cliques whose nationalist slogans were long discredited and whose corruption delegitimised the nation state.

The mistake of civic activists and non-sectarian revolutionaries in 2011 was not to see that emphasis on human and civil rights did not mean much unless a strong nation state could be regenerated. Nationalism may be out of fashion, but without it gluing society together, the alternative is sectarianism, tribalism and foreign domination. As paymasters, the Sunni oil states of the Gulf set the agenda and it is a deeply reactionary one. It is hypocritical and absurd for Western powers to pretend that they are seeking to build secular democracies in alliance with theocratic absolute monarchies in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf.

The future does not look bright. Once sectarian furies are released they become next to impossible to contain. For all the turmoil in Turkey, it is more of a complete nation state than elsewhere in the region. But then that is partly because a fifth of the Turkish population was Christian in 1914 and, following the Armenian massacres and the expulsion or exchange of the Greeks, the proportion fell to about 1 per cent 10 years later.

People ask why the revolutions in Eastern Europe at the time of the fall of communism were so much less violent than in the Middle East. A less than comforting answer is that the East European minorities had been murdered, expelled or forced to flee during or shortly after the Second World War. The same fate could be waiting for the minorities of Syria.

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