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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 06:42 PM Mar 2014

US Provokes Russia, Acts Surprised to Get a Nasty Reaction

US Provokes Russia, Acts Surprised to Get a Nasty Reaction

How crazy will Americans get over Ukraine?


by William Boardman / March 5th, 2014

If too many people get sucked in by the current, distorted media coverage of events unfolding now in Ukraine, then there’s a good chance life will get very ugly for a lot of innocent people, since one of the logical end points is the use of nuclear weapons. Everyone in power knows that’s a potential reality, but the urge to demagogue the Russians is presently overwhelming honesty and caution.



Ukraine is NOT a real place. Ukraine has never been a real place, not in the sense that Madascar or Cuba are both undeniably real places with real edges. Ukraine has no real edges, just lines on a map imposed by some treaty or army over the past several thousand years. To speak, as the more pompous do, of Ukraine’s “territorial integrity” is to speak of an imaginary construct, useful for blurring people’s minds for political purposes.

Ukraine in recent years has been what the power brokers of the disintegrating Soviet Union decided to let it be in 1991. Ukraine has no coherent history as a nation. First inhabited some 44,000 years ago, most of the region’s history is as occupied territory.

Russia’s history of maintaining a military presence in Crimea is older than United States history. The Russian Black Sea Fleet has been based in Sevastopol in Crimea continuously since 1783. For the Russians, this is a crucial warm water port, currently leased from Ukraine till 2042.

To understand what this means to the Russians, it probably matters more to them than the United States would care if the Cubans decided to threaten the Naval Base at Guantanamo, and we know that wouldn’t have a happy ending.

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Read more>> http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/03/us-provokes-russia-acts-surprised-to-get-a-nasty-reaction/


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Alex_

(27 posts)
1. Not a real place?
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 06:48 PM
Mar 2014

what is a real place? Your article lists two islands as 'real' places. Is Germany not a 'real' place? It is certainly not an island and its present borders have been defined in the late 20th century.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
5. Interesting reading, Catherina.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:30 PM
Mar 2014

I think the author was a bit unclear in what he meant by 'not a real place', as anyone would understand reading the rest of it. Kind of a silly thing to pick out of a good post with a lot of facts, but ..... you can't please everyone!!

EmilyAnne

(2,769 posts)
6. It is, quite literally, a direct quote from Putin.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:40 PM
Mar 2014

Putin famously told George W. Bush that Ukraine isn't real.
Many Russians I know also believe that Eastern Finland isn't real for the same reasons.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
9. I thought that part could use some refining too
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 08:09 PM
Mar 2014

but I understand exactly what he meant in a historical context. Not even trying as far as your last sentence goes lol.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. Not a real place? Here's an animation of borders in Europe 1591-2006
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:52 PM
Mar 2014

Lot of unreal places filled with less that really human beings apparently.

Eko

(7,245 posts)
10. It amazing how just eleven words
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:01 AM
Mar 2014

blew this post out of the water. The added dash of,,,, was that sarcasm? yes, that is a dash of sarcasm with a hint of wasabi, isn't it? Bravo.

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
11. What the stalwart defender's of Russia's invasion are pretending not to know...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 08:21 AM
Mar 2014

Is that there are international treaties, signed by Russia, that recognize the existence of Ukraine as an independent country, and that Crimea is a part of that country. By the logic of the Russian revisionists, Switzerland isn't a country. Along with numerous other members of the U.N. that more recently achieved status as independent nations.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
12. Imperialists are in full force here, Catherina
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:02 PM
Mar 2014

Their position is that the United States has a RIGHT to DOMINATE the PLANET, and any country that might take issue with that be damned. Never mind the obvious and logical consequences from such hubris.

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