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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:41 PM Apr 2014

Report: 85% Of Pensions Could Fail In 30 Years

You might have thought your public pension was on shaky ground, but you're likely still being too kind.

Influential and well-regarded hedge fund Bridgewater Associates Wednesday warns public pensions are likely to achieve 4% returns on their assets, or worse. If Bridgewater is right, that means 85% of public pension funds will be going bankrupt in three decades.

Bridgewater came to these conclusions by stress testing the nation's public pension plans, much the way banks need to be evaluated on what could happen given a wide range out outcomes.

Public pensions have just $3 trillion in assets to invest to cover future retirement payments of $10 trillion over the next many decades, Bridgewater says. An investment return of roughly 9% a year is needed to meet those onerous obligations.

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/101572727

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Report: 85% Of Pensions Could Fail In 30 Years (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2014 OP
Part of the problem is that governments upaloopa Apr 2014 #1
With low interest rates and a lack of good investments with a good rate of return cap Apr 2014 #3
Also young adults are getting brain washed into not supporting pensions cap Apr 2014 #4
What do you suppose Bridgewater's angle is? Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2014 #2
More FUD. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #5
I read that the other day and my question is this. If pension funds can only sinkingfeeling Apr 2014 #6
, blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #7

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. Part of the problem is that governments
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:56 PM
Apr 2014

have not funded pension plans using the money to cover other parts of the budget.
Unfunded pension liabilities are the problem. As courts let governments off the hook the funds overtime will collapse.
What we are doing is letting corporations and local governments put the costs of having employees off onto the federal
and state governments. When they have their domestic programs cut all of us will be on the street.

cap

(7,170 posts)
3. With low interest rates and a lack of good investments with a good rate of return
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:16 PM
Apr 2014

Governments around the world were persuaded to buy all the funky securities (CDOs, CMOs, etc) that led to financial meltdown.

Add to that the refusal to raise taxes and the baby boom demographic, no wonder pensions are having problems

cap

(7,170 posts)
4. Also young adults are getting brain washed into not supporting pensions
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:19 PM
Apr 2014

But not told that the granny you fund with your taxes might be your own. And that it's the choice of an independent granny or a granny moving in with you and you paying her bills and waiting on her.

There are laws on the books against abandoning your parents. They will be enforced.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,824 posts)
2. What do you suppose Bridgewater's angle is?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:15 PM
Apr 2014

Any reason they might want all the money obligated to pensions, current and future, freed-up?

sinkingfeeling

(51,438 posts)
6. I read that the other day and my question is this. If pension funds can only
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 02:38 PM
Apr 2014

come up with 4% yearly growth, then how are individuals have enough money to cover their retirements? I was told that my 'investments' should be about 7% a year and I'm not in charge of a giant pension fund so how could I do that if the "experts" can't? There was a time, 15 to 20 years ago when one could get about 6 to 8% growth with certificates of deposit. Think you can get about 1% today.

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