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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 05:43 PM Mar 2013

Manning fulfilled moral duty, conscience of US on trial

Published on Mar 14, 2013

He's seen by many as one of the world's most renowned whistleblowers, but an enemy of the state by the US government. Now soldier Bradley Manning can be heard in his own voice explaining why he sent hundreds of thousands of classified documents to Wikileaks in 2010. In a new leaked audio recording from his court martial, Manning accuses the American army of not valuing human life, and says he wanted to provoke a debate about US foreign policy.



LISTEN TO MANNING'S TESTIMONY HERE:
http://rt.com/usa/manning-trial-recording-leak-177/
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Manning fulfilled moral duty, conscience of US on trial (Original Post) Coyotl Mar 2013 OP
His moral duty Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #1
And the US would still be British colonies had they asked for independence. Gregorian Mar 2013 #2
That Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #4
The Unknown Soldier is a film that features photos and other evidence JDPriestly Mar 2013 #3
The problem with Manning Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #5
I hope you understand that I was describing Hitler's military in WWII, not ours. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #7
So the leaker's testimony at his trial is leaked. That's awesome. 99th_Monkey Mar 2013 #6

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
1. His moral duty
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 05:51 PM
Mar 2013

would have been to use the existing whistle blower protocol , such as the IG or his congressperson. He also never read the majority of the documents that he released to a foreign national. I have a hard time finding anything moral about that... he didn't even know what those documents contained.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
4. That
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 06:49 PM
Mar 2013

has nothing to do with the topic....

Can you refute the fact that he didn't even try to follow the whistle blower rules?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. The Unknown Soldier is a film that features photos and other evidence
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 06:34 PM
Mar 2013

of the war crimes of NAZI soldiers during WWII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmachtsausstellung

Some of the material were found in correspondence that the soldiers had sent to their families from the front.

I suggest that everyone who is interested in the Manning case, regardless of your point of view, watch that film.

What if you had been a soldier who witnessed the war crimes? Would you have come forward during the war and paid the price for speaking out? Would you have remained silent until after the war and then spoken out?

Watch the film and think about what you would have done?

Manning disobeyed the rules and regulations of the military, but then so did the soldiers whose acts he made public. Who was the worse criminal? If Manning is to be punished, should the soldiers who committed acts in disregard of innocent civilians, and the politicians who tortured and encouraged soldiers to kill innocent people and torture also be punished?

Would we consider a German who spoke out against the war crimes to be a criminal or a soldier? What if the facts he made public concerned matters that were themselves not war crimes but that were part of the pattern that led to and caused the war crimes?

What do we think about the men of conscience, the many pastors and priests in NAZI Germany who risked and even lost their lives as they tried to let the world know what was going on? Pastor Niemoller was imprisoned for speaking out. If you had lived in Germany, would you have considered him to be a traitor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

It is very easy to judge the actions of people who lived in countries waging wars. When your country is involved, it is very difficult to know what is right and what is wrong.

Manning acted out of conscience. Had more German soldiers followed their consciences, the world would have suffered far less.

And by the way, the study upon which the film, The Unknown Soldier, was based found that ORDINARY German foot-soldiers who refused to carry out orders to commit war crimes against civilians, including Jewish civilians, were not pursued in court for violating orders. I have always understood that they were. That part of the film seems unclear to me. Watch the film yourself and see if you understand it the way I did.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
5. The problem with Manning
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 06:51 PM
Mar 2013

is that he released thousands of documents that he never even read.... There is no whistle blower coverage for that.

Today's military is a lot different that the military of WWII.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
7. I hope you understand that I was describing Hitler's military in WWII, not ours.
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 03:35 AM
Mar 2013

Manning was very frustrated with the whole system.

It is my understanding that he tried to draw the attention of his superior officer to the crimes that he knew about and was ignored. That is very sad.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
6. So the leaker's testimony at his trial is leaked. That's awesome.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:25 PM
Mar 2013

I don't see what the US Guv-mint has to gain at this point, by continuing
to insist on harsher treatment of Manning. Shit, he's already facing 20
years for what he's already pled guilty to.

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