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Rep. McDermott: They Finally Told the Truth - "Why are they feeding us this austerity koolaid? (Original Post) ashling Mar 2013 OP
well mr. mcdermott call the white house and ask nt msongs Mar 2013 #1
Republicans tell their constituents in poor states,... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #2
I was figuring out how to explain this to a bagger yesterday. freshwest Mar 2013 #5
Tell them the ones they are listening to lied them into a war... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #6
I like this explanation..... midnight Mar 2013 #8
freshwest... jjewell Mar 2013 #11
President Obama should answer this question - in public. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #3
agreed rsmith6621 Mar 2013 #4
Manufactured crisis.... Worked in Wiscosnin for Paul Ryan....He was trying to share it with midnight Mar 2013 #7
Obama called it a manufactured crisis and Boehner and Ryan admitted it. freshwest Mar 2013 #10
Response from lyin Ryan Gary 50 Mar 2013 #9
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
2. Republicans tell their constituents in poor states,...
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:06 AM
Mar 2013

...that the reason they are poor is because of Washington's debt.

As if you are broke because your neighbor is in debt.

Another thing.

They claim the National Debt is proof that we are broke.

Let me ask you something,..do you owe on your home or car? Yeah? Well, do you consider yourself to be "broke" until those are paid off?

Republicans are slime. They ANNOUNCED they were going to push their "debt" nonsense after they lost all credibility on National Defense.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. I was figuring out how to explain this to a bagger yesterday.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:22 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:48 PM - Edit history (1)

I'd say, 'Want to run the country like your own house, you own budget?'

They say, 'Yeah, the deficit is killing us, we have to lower the debt.'


I say, 'Do you own your house or car outright or are you paying a mortgage and car note?'

To which, they'd say, 'Well, no, we don't own it outright yet, but we will.'


I'd say, 'Okay, get out of the house and car until you can buy it. Live within your means. No debt means no debt!'

They stutter, 'We don't have it all now, but we're working and we pay for it! We need those now, to keep on working!'

To which I'd say, 'The government has to keep the country working so we can pay the debt - that's life.'

That's not expressed well, and I'm not ready to deal with their heads exploding all over the place.


 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
6. Tell them the ones they are listening to lied them into a war...
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 04:03 AM
Mar 2013

Not that it will do any good. They think the alternative to Republican is "Commie".

Note also that there is a common word they use: WORK.They believe they are defending the concept of working for a living as if Democrats are all about lounging around the house all day collecting welfare and being a drain on society while Republicans are all about working with pride and contributing to society.

It's the classic protestant work ethic resurrected from the 60s. The "hardhats vs the hippies". The perpetual student vs the average working class Joe. This is also why Republicans roll their eyes when Democrats talk about funding education and college loans. They have this myth that their tax dollars are paying for some kid in their twelfth year in college who still isn't picking a major and is too stupid to tie their shoes but knows all sixty-eight flavors of coffee at Starbucks.

Some of them actually believe God wants people to work. As if going to a job earns them brownie points in heaven and not working is a sin. I tell these types that I've noticed the ones who claim God wants you to work are also the ones who want to be rich so they'll never have to work again. This is also why they vote Republican, they know Republicans are the party of the rich and they want to be rich,...so...

midnight

(26,624 posts)
7. Manufactured crisis.... Worked in Wiscosnin for Paul Ryan....He was trying to share it with
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 09:09 AM
Mar 2013

the rest of the country.... Believe me... watching children live with food insecurity is a nightmare...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
10. Obama called it a manufactured crisis and Boehner and Ryan admitted it.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 02:20 PM
Mar 2013

As far as the kids and these manufactured crisis's - this is classic eugenics. A way to stunt the physical, social, emotional, and intellectual stature of children. Part of what is required to achieve is described by Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

When we consider the history of discrimination, domestic violence, crime and job loss we are talking about destroying individual and societal progress.

Talking with representatives, this is part of what is stressed in the face of budget cuts to take care of people in need.

Here's a bit of the concept from Wikipedia :

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is often portrayed in the shape of a pyramid with the largest, most fundamental levels of needs at the bottom and the need for self-actualization at the top.[1][8] While the pyramid has become the de facto way to represent the hierarchy, Maslow himself never used a pyramid to describe these levels in any of his writings on the subject.

The most fundamental and basic four layers of the pyramid contain what Maslow called "deficiency needs" or "d-needs": esteem, friendship and love, security, and physical needs. If these "deficiency needs" are not met – with the exception of the most fundamental (physiological) need – there may not be a physical indication, but the individual will feel anxious and tense. Maslow's theory suggests that the most basic level of needs must be met before the individual will strongly desire (or focus motivation upon) the secondary or higher level needs. Maslow also coined the term Metamotivation to describe the motivation of people who go beyond the scope of the basic needs and strive for constant betterment.[9]

The human mind and brain are complex and have parallel processes running at the same time, thus many different motivations from various levels of Maslow's hierarchy can occur at the same time. Maslow spoke clearly about these levels and their satisfaction in terms such as "relative," "general," and "primarily." Instead of stating that the individual focuses on a certain need at any given time, Maslow stated that a certain need "dominates" the human organism.[10] Thus Maslow acknowledged the likelihood that the different levels of motivation could occur at any time in the human mind, but he focused on identifying the basic types of motivation and the order in which they should be met.


Physiological needs are the physical requirements for human survival. If these requirements are not met, the human body cannot function properly, and will ultimately fail. Physiological needs are thought to be the most important; they should be met first.

Air, water, and food are metabolic requirements for survival in all animals, including humans. Clothing and shelter provide necessary protection from the elements. While maintaining an adequate birth rate shapes the intensity of the human sexual instinct, sexual competition may also shape said instinct.[2]

Safety needs

With their physical needs relatively satisfied, the individual's safety needs take precedence and dominate behavior. In the absence of physical safety – due to war, natural disaster, family violence, childhood abuse, etc. – people may (re-)experience post-traumatic stress disorder or transgenerational trauma. In the absence of economic safety – due to economic crisis and lack of work opportunities – these safety needs manifest themselves in ways such as a preference for job security, grievance procedures for protecting the individual from unilateral authority, savings accounts, insurance policies, reasonable disability accommodations, etc. This level is more likely to be found in children because they generally have a greater need to feel safe.

Safety and Security needs include:

* Personal security
* Financial security
* Health and well-being
* Safety net against accidents/illness and their adverse impacts

Love and belonging


After physiological and safety needs are fulfilled, the third level of human needs is interpersonal and involves feelings of belongingness. This need is especially strong in childhood and can override the need for safety as witnessed in children who cling to abusive parents. Deficiencies within this level of Maslow's hierarchy – due to hospitalism, neglect, shunning, ostracism, etc. – can impact the individual's ability to form and maintain emotionally significant relationships in general, such as:

* Friendship
* Intimacy
* Family

According to Maslow, humans need to feel a sense of belonging and acceptance among their social groups, regardless if these groups are large or small. For example, some large social groups may include clubs, co-workers, religious groups, professional organizations, sports teams, and gangs. Some examples of small social connections include family members, intimate partners, mentors, colleagues, and confidants. Humans need to love and be loved – both sexually and non-sexually – by others.[2] Many people become susceptible to loneliness, social anxiety, and clinical depression in the absence of this love or belonging element. This need for belonging may overcome the physiological and security needs, depending on the strength of the peer pressure.

Esteem

All humans have a need to feel respected; this includes the need to have self-esteem and self-respect. Esteem presents the typical human desire to be accepted and valued by others. People often engage in a profession or hobby to gain recognition. These activities give the person a sense of contribution or value. Low self-esteem or an inferiority complex may result from imbalances during this level in the hierarchy. People with low self-esteem often need respect from others; they may feel the need to seek fame or glory. However, fame or glory will not help the person to build their self-esteem until they accept who they are internally. Psychological imbalances such as depression can hinder the person from obtaining a higher level of self-esteem or self-respect.

Most people have a need for stable self-respect and self-esteem. Maslow noted two versions of esteem needs: a "lower" version and a "higher" version. The "lower" version of esteem is the need for respect from others. This may include a need for status, recognition, fame, prestige, and attention. The "higher" version manifests itself as the need for self-respect. For example, the person may have a need for strength, competence, mastery, self-confidence, independence, and freedom. This "higher" version takes precedence over the "lower" version because it relies on an inner competence established through experience. Deprivation of these needs may lead to an inferiority complex, weakness, and helplessness.

Maslow states that while he originally thought the needs of humans had strict guidelines, the "hierarchies are interrelated rather than sharply separated".[5] This means that esteem and the subsequent levels are not strictly separated; instead, the levels are closely related.


Self-actualization

"What a man can be, he must be."[11] This quotation forms the basis of the perceived need for self-actualization. This level of need refers to what a person's full potential is and the realization of that potential. Maslow describes this level as the desire to accomplish everything that one can, to become the most that one can be.[12] Individuals may perceive or focus on this need very specifically. For example, one individual may have the strong desire to become an ideal parent. In another, the desire may be expressed athletically. For others, it may be expressed in paintings, pictures, or inventions.[13] As previously mentioned, Maslow believed that to understand this level of need, the person must not only achieve the previous needs, but master them.

More at the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs#Hierarchy

We may wonder at times why people act in the ways they do. Take away those steps, and one doesn't have the personal freedom of maturity. I regard Obama as having made it to the top of the 'pyramid,' by virtue of his extended family and their desire to see him achieve. He was accepted and loved and particularly in Hawaii, was able to experience good things.

As far as childhood hunger and worry, it is claimed that the reason aristocrats called the poor 'the little people' was their height was literally stunted by starvation. Add to that the fact their time and energy were consumed by the task of basic survival, they had no time to look up and think of 'higher things.' Politics has been called 'the luxury of the leisure class.'

It has also been claimed that the only source of 'higher things' allowed to the poor were religions that supported the status quo or monarchy, to keep them accepting their servitude.

Just a few ideas to toss in. Here's the pyramid, with interesting descriptions in the layers:




Gary 50

(381 posts)
9. Response from lyin Ryan
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 11:35 AM
Mar 2013

Nice response from lyin Ryan at the end of the clip. Yeah Paul, McDermott's calling you out on your scheme to dismantle the social safety net based on a make believe crisis is "scare mongering." If Paul Ryan had an iota of self awareness he would hide his face in shame after apologizing to the American people. But Ryan is an Ayn Randian sociopath so I won't hold my breath.

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