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Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)This Party is truly schzoid. Assuming election fraud is not a factor in 2012 (a big if)...the message to this Party is going to be, change your priorities if you want to survive.
Liora24
(34 posts)I very much dislike the Republicans and could not agree more with what Mr. Hartmann says.
We can only hope that in the near future the Republican party will be only a memory, something you read about in books and say to yourself "what were they thinking" when you see it. The same fate befell the Nazis and the Stalinists just as surely as it is going to befall the Republican party.
DaveJ
(5,023 posts)I think the problem is that liberals are so nice that they are afraid to totally oust them in favor of a more rational opponent (Like the Green, Constitution, Independent, etc parties). When they win control, they send Democrats to the basement, and when we win, we try to find middle ground. That's not good.
Their bipolar behavior is not good for the well-being and mental health of our people.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Districts that I don't know how long all this will last.
florida08
(4,106 posts)but the sooner the better. Americans need to grow a memory and put to a disc to help remember that how we vote can have dire consequences for the working class in the country. Each time it gets harder to pull corporate claws off our democracy.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Right on the money.
tsuki
(11,994 posts)they start again.
valerief
(53,235 posts)The thing about cycles is that when you observe them, it's worth extrapolating forward and back, to see how well they carry. The generational cycle of 18-22 years actually fits in well with the principles of the Great Turning (see Strauss and Howe) which posits an eighty year cycle of societal disintegration, foundational rebuilding, maturation, corruption and back to disintegration. I suspect that it also has to do with demographic patterns (there's a demographic heartbeat pattern in which the percentage change in population between generations does this BUM ba Bum ba pattern of troughs and peaks). The social disintegration phase usually coincides with depressions, civil wars, and has done so consistently in England, Northern Europe and the United States since about 1600, and usually occurs when a society has become so unequal, stratified and polarized that class warfare becomes violent. In the US, this has coincided with the Revolutionary War (in 1776-1783), the Civil War (1858-1865), World War II (1938-1945), which means that we're at the tail end of the corruption phase and heading into the social disintegration phase (2018-2025?).
Given that, the existence of a roughly twenty year cycle within that 80 year period makes sense. It's a turning. Progressives push in one direction - towards broader rights for minorities, environmental regulation, more even distribution of wealth, and so forth, eventually getting to a point where the changes in society threaten the dominant status quo. Conservatives (reactionaries) react to these changes that threaten the status quo and push back, eventually reaching a point where what had been a healthy inhibitory response becomes an extreme, unhealthy one. Support for the conservative position in turn disintegrates as the conservative factions overreach and the priorities that had bound them earlier in the cycle now pit them against one another. Towards the end of the corruption phase, this reaches a peak, the two great factions of society (the Yankee communal idealism vs. the Deep South landed aristocracy) finally break, and all hell breaks loose.
I suspect that the great cycle might actually be double what Strauss and Howe believe. World War II was horrendous, but in the US it served to siphon off a lot of the anger that had been building up during the Depression, and the Revolutionary War similarly forced a common action between avowed enemies in the face of a potentially far more devastating one. In 1700, North America was not heavily populated, but it was a remarkably bloody period in European history. The problem is that such cycles are very large, and other factors may mask them, so you have comparatively few data points.
Overall, I'm not optimistic about the next decade. The Republicans are not at their zenith of crazy yet.
Mosaic
(1,451 posts)And phase out and eliminate the republicans. We don't need these evil cycles in this country anymore! Work, work, work to end the madness of these people, either they change or we force them to change. End of story.